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This is not conscious consumerism. This is a childish temper tantrum. Chrome has better developer tools. If your job is being a web dev and you purposely make

by ebbv 14y ago

This is not conscious consumerism. This is a childish temper tantrum. Chrome has better developer tools. If your job is being a web dev and you purposely make your job harder because you're mad at Google for shutting down Reader, you're not being rational.

duncan_bayne 14y ago
I'll still happily use Chromium for web development, as and where necessary. Just not signed in to Google for sync, etc. etc. I do wonder though ... would you have described the formation of the FSF as a childish temper tantrum? I remember the days when to use Linux as a development OS was painful ... it worked out well in the end though :)
- magicalist 14y ago
  I don't entirely agree with the GP's phrasing, but it's worth pointing out that the FSF doesn't paint all a company's software with the same brush. They're happy to rail against non-free software while accepting contributions to GNU projects from the same developers.
- jxi 14y ago
  FSF is an ideal. The ideal that all software is open source so that it's more secure and has all the other benefits of open source. What you're doing is being childish. "Boo hoo, big bad Google killed a product I liked, so I'm going to make some bullshit arguments to stop using ALL their products." I don't use all of Google's products, but I use a subset because they get the job done well. If you think killing off reader was a bad idea, why not build your own and see how the cost/benefit ratio pays off. What problem are you even solving by doing this? You're just throwing a childish fit.
  - duncan_bayne 14y ago
    I don't think it was a bad idea, I think it was a very good idea from their perspective. I think that what they're trying to do is a bad idea for everyone, which is why I've changed platform. Why do you assume I'm angry about it?
  - dchest 14y ago
    FSF is an ideal. The ideal that all software is open source so that it's more secure and has all the other benefits of open source. FSF is not about open source or security: https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software Also, calling something/someone "childish" is not a good way to make your point.
  - sergiosgc 14y ago
    That is one way to look at it. The other is: Google is creating a walled garden on Google Plus, and pushing it with all its might. Walled gardens are contrary to the ideal of an open web. In that vein, boycotting Google is as much idealistic as boycotting closed software.
- ebbv 14y ago
  Your analogy doesn't work at all. The FSF is about a goal. It is a noble goal, and it has clearly shaped the software world for the better. I ran Linux and did lots of development under it in the 90s. I quite enjoyed it and preferred it to Windows development at the time. I use Linux every day for work. That doesn't mean I don't boot up Windows to play BioShock Infinite, even though I disagree with a lot of things Microsoft does.
sbuk 14y ago
Why not just say "You should just do as you are told and not ask questions!"?
robotmay 14y ago
I've never found Firebug to be lacking; what do the Chrome developer tools have that make it impossible to stop using Chrome? In my experience Chrome is a PITA for web development due to its weirdly aggressive caching. I thought people were just making it up a few months back, but I experienced it recently and it's infuriating.
- ebbv 14y ago
  Shift+Reload takes care of all caching issues. It's hard to nail down the difference between Chrome Dev Tools and Firebug with just one thing. For me it's not one killer feature it's a quality of life issue. It's all the little things that, IMHO, Chrome Dev Tools does right. I have no problem using Firebug or even the Firefox Inspector when needed to actually find a Firefox specific problem but for working day in and day out, I prefer the experience of the Chrome Dev Tools.

by ebbv 14y ago

duncan_bayne 14y ago

I'll still happily use Chromium for web development, as and where necessary. Just not signed in to Google for sync, etc. etc. I do wonder though ... would you have described the formation of the FSF as a childish temper tantrum? I remember the days when to use Linux as a development OS was painful ... it worked out well in the end though :)

magicalist 14y ago
I don't entirely agree with the GP's phrasing, but it's worth pointing out that the FSF doesn't paint all a company's software with the same brush. They're happy to rail against non-free software while accepting contributions to GNU projects from the same developers.
jxi 14y ago
FSF is an ideal. The ideal that all software is open source so that it's more secure and has all the other benefits of open source. What you're doing is being childish. "Boo hoo, big bad Google killed a product I liked, so I'm going to make some bullshit arguments to stop using ALL their products." I don't use all of Google's products, but I use a subset because they get the job done well. If you think killing off reader was a bad idea, why not build your own and see how the cost/benefit ratio pays off. What problem are you even solving by doing this? You're just throwing a childish fit.
- duncan_bayne 14y ago
  I don't think it was a bad idea, I think it was a very good idea from their perspective. I think that what they're trying to do is a bad idea for everyone, which is why I've changed platform. Why do you assume I'm angry about it?
- dchest 14y ago
  FSF is an ideal. The ideal that all software is open source so that it's more secure and has all the other benefits of open source. FSF is not about open source or security: https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software https://www.fsf.org/about/what-is-free-software Also, calling something/someone "childish" is not a good way to make your point.
- sergiosgc 14y ago
  That is one way to look at it. The other is: Google is creating a walled garden on Google Plus, and pushing it with all its might. Walled gardens are contrary to the ideal of an open web. In that vein, boycotting Google is as much idealistic as boycotting closed software.
ebbv 14y ago
Your analogy doesn't work at all. The FSF is about a goal. It is a noble goal, and it has clearly shaped the software world for the better. I ran Linux and did lots of development under it in the 90s. I quite enjoyed it and preferred it to Windows development at the time. I use Linux every day for work. That doesn't mean I don't boot up Windows to play BioShock Infinite, even though I disagree with a lot of things Microsoft does.

sbuk 14y ago

Why not just say "You should just do as you are told and not ask questions!"?

robotmay 14y ago

I've never found Firebug to be lacking; what do the Chrome developer tools have that make it impossible to stop using Chrome? In my experience Chrome is a PITA for web development due to its weirdly aggressive caching. I thought people were just making it up a few months back, but I experienced it recently and it's infuriating.

ebbv 14y ago
Shift+Reload takes care of all caching issues. It's hard to nail down the difference between Chrome Dev Tools and Firebug with just one thing. For me it's not one killer feature it's a quality of life issue. It's all the little things that, IMHO, Chrome Dev Tools does right. I have no problem using Firebug or even the Firefox Inspector when needed to actually find a Firefox specific problem but for working day in and day out, I prefer the experience of the Chrome Dev Tools.