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#haskell on freenode is always a very humbling experience. Everyone in there is extremely intelligent and helpful. I've recently learned to stay away from #pyt

#haskell on freenode is always a very humbling experience. Everyone in there is extremely intelligent and helpful. I've recently learned to stay away from #python. #rubyonrails is okay.

mattdeboard 14y ago
I have only been in there a couple times but #haskell is a great channel. #clojure is a very good one as well. amalloy and many others are always around to answer questions.
shuzchen 14y ago
oftc has a smaller python channel, and I think freenode has #python-friendly. Less activity, but generally means less noise and fewer trolls.
- lvh 14y ago
  It's double hash. It's explicitly NOT a PSF Python channel. That, and it was founded by someone notorious for trolling #python and #python-offtopic :)
the_cat_kittles 14y ago
I was often on #python about a 2 years ago, what happened? Is it bad now?
- shuzchen 14y ago
  In general any public channel that reaches a critical mass eventually gets overwhelmed with noise/trolls/elitists. It really just takes a few bad eggs to ruin the experience for everybody. That's just the nature of things though, it's hard to keep a handle on huge channels unless the channel ops are eternally vigilant. I was in #python some time ago, and there were good moments but there were lots of bad moments.
  - lvh 14y ago
    Could you be more specific about the bad experiences? (I'm the Freenode Group Contact for #python,#python-*. If you have constructive criticism to make any of those channels better, I would be in a position to implement them.) I will happily admit that any sufficiently large group will have some bad apples in it, but I certainly hope that we (I'm speaking for the operators of #python) have tried, are trying, and will continue to try, to limit them :) We've tried many things in the past, including crazy ideas like having two channels, but that ended up being counterproductive.
danellis 14y ago
If you think #python is bad, you definitely want to stay away from #django.
- philtar 14y ago
  #django is awesome. Everyone is helpful. Shout out to FunkyBob and mattmcc. Only issue is that there's a bunch of people whose answers could be solved by a quick search but still flood the channel with their questions.
- porter 14y ago
  #django is super awesome. Those guys helped me go from a banker who sorta knew about for loops to a web app owner with paying customers. You'll find a handful of dedicated people in there that have been around for years and are very helpful.
tikhonj 14y ago
I've had a lot of fun in #haskell. One time, I was talking with some people about how annoyed I was with not having a natural number type in Haskell. (Really, wtf?) It's annoying, but clearly not the end of the world--no other language I know has a natural number type either. Can you guess what sort of response a complaint like this would have on another channel? At best, I would get some commiseration. But more likely people would either not care or actually get annoyed with me. I imagine similar reactions even to feature requests and complaints that are less "academic" than natural numbers. So what happened on #haskell? Somebody went off and implemented a nice natural number library[1][2] right then and there--while I was still online, in fact. Pretty cool. [1]: http://jeltsch.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/natural-numbers-in-haskell/ http://jeltsch.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/natural-numbers-in-h... [2]: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/natural-numbers-0.0.0.0 http://hackage.haskell.org/package/natural-numbers-0.0.0.0
- manish_gill 14y ago
  Heh. That, more than anything, makes me want to learn Haskell. :)
Twisol 14y ago
#haskell is fantastic. I typically just idle there, but every time I tab over to see what people are talking about, it's something on-topic and (more importantly) interesting. And like you say, everyone there is really helpful.

#haskell on freenode is always a very humbling experience. Everyone in there is extremely intelligent and helpful. I've recently learned to stay away from #python. #rubyonrails is okay.

mattdeboard 14y ago

I have only been in there a couple times but #haskell is a great channel. #clojure is a very good one as well. amalloy and many others are always around to answer questions.

shuzchen 14y ago

oftc has a smaller python channel, and I think freenode has #python-friendly. Less activity, but generally means less noise and fewer trolls.

lvh 14y ago
It's double hash. It's explicitly NOT a PSF Python channel. That, and it was founded by someone notorious for trolling #python and #python-offtopic :)

the_cat_kittles 14y ago

I was often on #python about a 2 years ago, what happened? Is it bad now?

shuzchen 14y ago
In general any public channel that reaches a critical mass eventually gets overwhelmed with noise/trolls/elitists. It really just takes a few bad eggs to ruin the experience for everybody. That's just the nature of things though, it's hard to keep a handle on huge channels unless the channel ops are eternally vigilant. I was in #python some time ago, and there were good moments but there were lots of bad moments.
- lvh 14y ago
  Could you be more specific about the bad experiences? (I'm the Freenode Group Contact for #python,#python-*. If you have constructive criticism to make any of those channels better, I would be in a position to implement them.) I will happily admit that any sufficiently large group will have some bad apples in it, but I certainly hope that we (I'm speaking for the operators of #python) have tried, are trying, and will continue to try, to limit them :) We've tried many things in the past, including crazy ideas like having two channels, but that ended up being counterproductive.

danellis 14y ago

If you think #python is bad, you definitely want to stay away from #django.

philtar 14y ago
#django is awesome. Everyone is helpful. Shout out to FunkyBob and mattmcc. Only issue is that there's a bunch of people whose answers could be solved by a quick search but still flood the channel with their questions.
porter 14y ago
#django is super awesome. Those guys helped me go from a banker who sorta knew about for loops to a web app owner with paying customers. You'll find a handful of dedicated people in there that have been around for years and are very helpful.

tikhonj 14y ago

I've had a lot of fun in #haskell. One time, I was talking with some people about how annoyed I was with not having a natural number type in Haskell. (Really, wtf?) It's annoying, but clearly not the end of the world--no other language I know has a natural number type either. Can you guess what sort of response a complaint like this would have on another channel? At best, I would get some commiseration. But more likely people would either not care or actually get annoyed with me. I imagine similar reactions even to feature requests and complaints that are less "academic" than natural numbers. So what happened on #haskell? Somebody went off and implemented a nice natural number library[1][2] right then and there--while I was still online, in fact. Pretty cool. [1]: http://jeltsch.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/natural-numbers-in-haskell/ http://jeltsch.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/natural-numbers-in-h... [2]: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/natural-numbers-0.0.0.0 http://hackage.haskell.org/package/natural-numbers-0.0.0.0

manish_gill 14y ago
Heh. That, more than anything, makes me want to learn Haskell. :)

Twisol 14y ago

#haskell is fantastic. I typically just idle there, but every time I tab over to see what people are talking about, it's something on-topic and (more importantly) interesting. And like you say, everyone there is really helpful.