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Ask HN: What's my next move?
As a SV/startup outsider, I would really appreciate any help the benevolent members of HN care to offer in figuring out the best next steps in pursuing my goal.
I have an idea for a social media app that will help people explore truth together more effectively, which I've been brewing for about 10 years. I have an initial demo now, but there is much more to do. I have thought through many many design issues, so it is not simply a general idea but many specific ones combined.
Ideally I would like to work on that app, or a product that fulfills the same goals. It doesn't have to be my own company, but I would like to be able to influence the product direction if I have something useful to add. I would also like to maintain a high level of user focus and intellectual integrity, not sacrificing these just to eek out a little more profit.
I applied to YC and wasn't accepted, so now I am trying to figure out my next move. I could:
1. Apply to Launchpad LA and other YC alternatives
2. Try to get VC funding
3. Find a company doing something similar and try to get a job there (Obvious Corp may be doing something similar, but I can't even find contact info, much less get hired. But they seem like great people.)
4. Take a job building something else, try to establish credibility in the SV community, and look for future opportunities. Along with this, I could also work on my project on the side, and possibly try to launch small and grow organically.
As my idea is novel but possibly unpatentable, I am uneasy about sharing all the details. How much detail must be typically shared to secure funding or incubator acceptance, especially without inside connections?
Those of you who made it this far, you are very generous. Thank you in advance for your thoughts, they are much appreciated.
- t0 13y agoWho are you? Around here, ideas aren't very important. Everybody has ideas. They're easy to come by, and they're usually not as huge as you might assume. The most important aspect of a startup is a founder that can get things done. Do you know how to build it? Then build it. Else, find a cofounder that knows how.
- jdrobins2000 13y agoFair question. I had 2000 characters, so I had to cut some stuff out. I will answer each question separately, so we can keep some order.
- jdrobins2000 13y agoWho am I? - Software developer with systems and automated test experience as well - 12 years experience in C++, Java, Perl, and Web. Been using Groovy/Grails/JQuery, open to Angular and/or whatever languages and technologies perform and scale best while providing an intuitive development experience. - Very intelligent and competent, always a top performer (graduated salutatorian at 16, 780 Math SAT I think, Genius IQ - not trying or expecting to impress, just trying to say I'm not dumb) - Unfortunately I worked in defense industry, and had much of my time wasted with BS and having to reverse engineer and then re-engineer broken systems. So while I consider myself capable, I'm likely not at the level I would have been had I gone straight to SV. I assume there is a stigma attached to working in defense, if so please feel free to share. - No great contacts in SV, so starting from scratch to build a reputation, a network of capable and trustworthy associates, and a knowledge of how things work. I do not underestimate the challenges this presents. But perhaps I may be overestimating them?
- jdrobins2000 13y agoRE: ideas aren't very important I wholeheartedly agree, to the extent the idea is vague and general. To the extent the idea becomes more detailed, I think the importance grows. A software program is nothing more than a bunch of ideas written down to the degree that a computer can understand the meaning. So, the importance of the idea can range from "nothing" to "everything". I know a lot of people seem to subscribe to the ideas are nothing mantra, so I'm wondering if it is shorthand for "vague ideas are worth nothing", or applies to the entire spectrum? How detailed is my idea? Enough that I think it is significant. Enough that I think it creates substantial advantages over current alternatives, and even up-and-coming OSS which has similar aims. Could I be wrong? Of course, but in the past I have had very accurate gauge on this. The core idea I am very confident in, as long as I can present the user a very clean and easy interface. The major risk I have identified is that I could be underestimating the difficulty of implementing the software which performs some key tasks which are required to support that goal maximally. I have some ideas of how I will do this, more than vague but less than pseudo code. I will no doubt encounter challenges, but my feeling is that I could probably at least minimally satisfy my goal initially, and move towards a perfect solution later.
- mikecane 13y ago>>>I have an idea for a social media app that will help people explore truth together more effectively I don't even know what that means to begin with.
- jdrobins2000 13y agoFair criticism, I was too vague. I'd love to just describe the details as is my typical MO, but I am not convinced yet that is wise. It means sharing ideas and opinions in the most efficient and effective way possible. So, sharing your opinions, seeing others opinions, and interacting in a way which hopefully will be constructive to everyone as they determine their own version of what they think and believe. My goal is to optimize this process so there is less wasted time and cognitive energy fighting ignorance and intentional misinformation, with the result being a more well-informed public, and all of the secondary effects that brings. We have already seen this effect in action (arab spring and twitter, for example), and I want to do whatever I can to promote it further. There are a few fundamental tweaks I would make to current methods, which will allow me to provide an interface with distinct advantages which I believe far outweigh the capability given up. Hopefully that is at least slightly more clear.
- miles 13y agoFind a company doing something similar and try to get a job there (Obvious Corp may be doing something similar, but I can't even find contact info, much less get hired. But they seem like great people.) C'mon, man - you can do better than that: http://www.google.com/search?q=Obvious+Corp http://www.google.com/search?q=Obvious+Corp Second result: http://www.crunchbase.com/company/obvious http://www.crunchbase.com/company/obvious Twitter @ObviousCorp Phone 415-285-4255 164 South Park Street San Francisco, CA, 94107 Whois reveals yet more.
- jdrobins2000 13y agoThanks, but you didn't try calling that number, did you? It is disconnected.
- miles 13y agoA quick whois search turns up yet more: 415-513-5196 domain.admin@obvious.com 2601 Mission Street, San Francisco, CA, 94401
- jdrobins2000 13y agoThanks! Seems like an unconventional and creative route. I've used whois of course, but never to get contact info for a well-known company, so I didn't even think about it. I will give it a (admittedly long) shot. Oh and for the record, yes I had already tried the number on crunch base. I've also sent a twitter message, but no response yet.
- miles 13y agoI guess my point was this: it shows a lack of motivation and drive saying that you can't find out how to contact a company you are genuinely interested in. The Google and whois queries took less than 30 seconds to come up with and perform. A motivated person should be able to do much better in 10 or 15 minutes. May you find what you are looking for!
- gexla 13y agoA lot of those options rely on circumstances not entirely within your control. You can't force anyone to give you a job, you can't force your employer to give you time / resources to work on your idea and you can't force anyone to give you funding. If you do happen to achieve any of the above (except for funding,) then you can't be sure that you will have enough influence for the idea to remain your own. There is a lot of potential for wasted time and headaches here. Why not bootstrap? SV is insanely expensive and your progress will be slow working on this thing during your down time. Can you do freelance work? If so, one crazy idea would be to banish yourself for six months or so to a super cheap area of the world, do freelancing part time and then spend the rest of the time furthering your app. There are lots of places in the world where you can live for as low as $600 / month, internet included! If you can do some freelance work for even $50 / hour then you could truly be living a 4 hour work week! At the same time, you get to experience another part of the world. Perhaps you could even pick up some cheap developers there to help you out with certain parts of it. Do you have any users yet? Would it be possible to build out a community before you even get the app to a point where it's usable? You may get more interest in funding if you could demonstrate some traction. I'm pretty sure investors are more interested in their ROI as opposed to throwing money at cool ideas. Would this be a wise investment? ;) If not, then that's probably the component you need to be working on.
- jdrobins2000 13y agoThank you very much! To your first paragraph, YES!!! :) There is a tremendous amount that is out of my control, which is not my favorite situation to be in, but sometimes it's the only way. I believe my idea is very big, and for reasons stated, I am concerned I need to go big out of the gate. I may be underestimating my capabilities, but I'm not confident two people (my partner and I) can pull that off. And anyway, eventually I will want to work with others, so it's either find good people now or find them later. I ironically have recently, in a roundabout way, already done the live someplace cheap thing (very complicated to explain, though amusing, but I'll save that for another time). It didn't go well. Suffice it to say, I have a wife and son, and have found out my wife does not adapt to big changes well, so I don't want to move around frivolously. I had bootstrapped using savings, and again it's complicated, but I am running out of runway. I'll need to feel really good about my plan to spend much longer without a job, funding, or mentorship. Maybe I could start small and grow, but I'm just not sure how long it would be take to grow revenues to cover my living expenses. SoCal is decided not a cheap place to live. :) Doing some freelance work is definitely a potential option and would buy me some time. I had considered that, but for some reason it fell off my radar, so thanks for the reminder. My only user now is myself, though I have shown a few others. Perhaps I should get a MVP out and see what kind of traction it gets? I may be overly concerned about someone copying my idea and scaling it up faster, but only because I don't have a strong argument to counter the concern. Can you explain why I should not be afraid of that? I guess that's the thing. I'd like to at least be able to know and choose the entities I am deciding to trust. By putting it out there for anyone to see, what stops someone from just ripping it off? Is this a wise investment? I believe it is, for the right investor who can afford the risk, but I understand the onus is on me to convince would be investors. It's certainly costing me quite a bit to work on it, but then again my motivation is more humanitarian than financial. I was hoping to at least get an interview with YC and get some feedback from some people with major experience under their belt, either "yeah that could fly" and then we'd get to it, or "never going to work because of X and Y". But, I didn't get an interview, so I got approximately zero feedback. I'd prefer to have a tech-savvy investor/partner who would really be able to see potentially fatal flaws, than a non-savvy investor who might invest without realizing those flaws.
- lifeformed 13y agoHow hard is it to implement your idea? I don't know the details of your situation, but if you can build it yourself, and you are confident in its ability to succeed, you can move somewhere with a cheap cost of living and just do it all yourself. It only costs like 15k to live frugally for a year in some parts of the country.
- jdrobins2000 13y agoThanks for the feedback. I've got a family, so it's less cheap. Plus, health insurance and health expenses alone cost me more than 15k. I could build part of it myself, and am already on my way. I probably could do a MVP which could possibly get traction. But for reasons stated already, I'm not sure starting small is the best option. But I would certainly appreciate it if someone could ease my mind about that. Also, please see my other responses related to your questions, so I don't pollute the comments with repetition. Thanks!