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I'm pretty serious about this.

pbiggar 14y ago
If I may ask, why? I don't personally think this is going to be successful, what with Hipchat and Campfire in the same space (which are very very popular) and grove.io having a good name for it and competing directly against you. Edit: I think you also misunderstand the value proposition for your customers: you mentioned above that you should buy because you get "a full VPS, maintained by me", which is very odd.
- city41 14y ago
  There is also Flowdock[0], which wants to compete pretty aggressively here (disclaimer, I work for the company that bought Flowdock) [0] http://www.flowdock.com http://www.flowdock.com
  - pbiggar 14y ago
    Yes indeed. I have a FlowDock account and my company (https://circleci.com https://circleci.com) integrates with you guys. I'm curious though: how big are you guys? I only mentioned HipChat and Campfire as they appear to be pervasive, and while I've been hearing more and more people mention Flowdock, it doesn't seem like you're an 800 pound gorilla that he should be afraid to compete against (yet!).
    - city41 14y ago
      I don't know how much I can really say to be honest, but I do think Flowdock will compete more in the future.
      - pbiggar 14y ago
        Cool, looking forward to seeing it!
- mindcrime 14y ago
  He could win if he proves to be better at marketing. Outside of the HN / SV Startup World "echo chamber" most people in most companies in most of America (much less the world) have never heard of Hipchat, Campfire, Grove, Convore, or this guy. You could argue that he isn't competing against Hipchat, etc., but competing to convert current non-users of this kind of technology. If they come out targeting other startups and technology companies, then I'd agree the odds are long. But come out targeting textiles manufacturers or transformer manufacturers, or shipping / trucking / railroad companies, or any of a bazillion other industries, and they may just have a shot at establishing a beach-head. Especially if they are willing to provide some vertical specific aspects to specifically appeal to customers in specific niches.
  - pbiggar 14y ago
    He could, but based on his value prop above, I think there is much to learn before that's going to be possible. I'm not saying he can't, of course, rather that its going to be an uphill struggle that he might not get if he built a different product.
    - mindcrime 14y ago
      True. I don't mean to suggest that it's going to be easy.
      - pbiggar 14y ago
        I keep having to advise startups "it sounds like it might work, but that's going to be really hard. Maybe you should do something else".

If I may ask, why? I don't personally think this is going to be successful, what with Hipchat and Campfire in the same space (which are very very popular) and grove.io having a good name for it and competing directly against you. Edit: I think you also misunderstand the value proposition for your customers: you mentioned above that you should buy because you get "a full VPS, maintained by me", which is very odd.

city41 14y ago
There is also Flowdock[0], which wants to compete pretty aggressively here (disclaimer, I work for the company that bought Flowdock) [0] http://www.flowdock.com http://www.flowdock.com
- pbiggar 14y ago
  Yes indeed. I have a FlowDock account and my company (https://circleci.com https://circleci.com) integrates with you guys. I'm curious though: how big are you guys? I only mentioned HipChat and Campfire as they appear to be pervasive, and while I've been hearing more and more people mention Flowdock, it doesn't seem like you're an 800 pound gorilla that he should be afraid to compete against (yet!).
  - city41 14y ago
    I don't know how much I can really say to be honest, but I do think Flowdock will compete more in the future.
    - pbiggar 14y ago
      Cool, looking forward to seeing it!
mindcrime 14y ago
He could win if he proves to be better at marketing. Outside of the HN / SV Startup World "echo chamber" most people in most companies in most of America (much less the world) have never heard of Hipchat, Campfire, Grove, Convore, or this guy. You could argue that he isn't competing against Hipchat, etc., but competing to convert current non-users of this kind of technology. If they come out targeting other startups and technology companies, then I'd agree the odds are long. But come out targeting textiles manufacturers or transformer manufacturers, or shipping / trucking / railroad companies, or any of a bazillion other industries, and they may just have a shot at establishing a beach-head. Especially if they are willing to provide some vertical specific aspects to specifically appeal to customers in specific niches.
- pbiggar 14y ago
  He could, but based on his value prop above, I think there is much to learn before that's going to be possible. I'm not saying he can't, of course, rather that its going to be an uphill struggle that he might not get if he built a different product.
  - mindcrime 14y ago
    True. I don't mean to suggest that it's going to be easy.
    - pbiggar 14y ago
      I keep having to advise startups "it sounds like it might work, but that's going to be really hard. Maybe you should do something else".