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Will you be willing to help law enforcement again by staying in your home each time an armed suspect is on the run?

bsg75 14y ago
On the rare occurrence that the suspect is armed with and has deployed homemade explosive devices on two separate occasions, the first in a very public setting? Yes.
- jrockway 14y ago
  Then the terrorists have won. Now all anyone needs to do to cost the economy a billion dollars is fill a pressure cooker with some marbles and black powder. Instead of killing 3 people, he destroys the lifetime value of hundreds. It's like DNS amplification attacks, but in real life. Great...
  - afterburner 14y ago
    They caught the guys within days, and the suspects didn't get very far at all. I'm pretty sure Boston, and all its residents, won. If the US can't afford billions of dollars to prevent the murder of potentially dozens more innocents and the extremely quick capture of such dangerous criminals, then what the heck is the point of all that money.
  - bsg75 14y ago
    > he destroys the lifetime value of hundreds Lifetime? Now that is an amplification.
    - jellicle 14y ago
      Not in the slightest. Humans live for perhaps 30,000 days total. If you make 30,000 humans waste a day, you've destroyed one life in its entirety. If you make 720,000 humans waste an hour, you've destroyed one life. Security theater in the U.S. has cost many thousands of lives in the past ten years, for nothing.
  - carbocation 14y ago
    I don't think your comment is a substantive response to bsg75's point. He started with "On the rare occurrence..." Exceptions can be made for exceptional circumstances. If, God forbid, terrorism on US soil becomes commonplace, then his point is no longer applicable (since his point is about rare things).
Anechoic 14y ago
This actually happens fairly regularly after armed robberies and gang activity, although the affected area tends to only be a few blocks. But if I am aware of a real danger posed by the armed subject (for example, the suspect has killed an innocent homeowner rather than thug-on-thug crime) and the restrictions are voluntary and temporary, then yes, I'm will in help out.
- largesse 14y ago
  It's a slippery slope. Right now is voluntary, but there's a very good chance that if it happens more often, police will find public support for arresting people who don't comply. The news media is making it worse by taking "lockdown", a term that originated in prisons and then appropriated by schools and throwing it around in this context. Schools, at least, have some sort of legal basis for restricting movement as they are loco in parentis for minors. There is no legal basis for doing this to adults in cities short of an actual declaration of martial law.

bsg75 14y ago

On the rare occurrence that the suspect is armed with and has deployed homemade explosive devices on two separate occasions, the first in a very public setting? Yes.

jrockway 14y ago
Then the terrorists have won. Now all anyone needs to do to cost the economy a billion dollars is fill a pressure cooker with some marbles and black powder. Instead of killing 3 people, he destroys the lifetime value of hundreds. It's like DNS amplification attacks, but in real life. Great...
- afterburner 14y ago
  They caught the guys within days, and the suspects didn't get very far at all. I'm pretty sure Boston, and all its residents, won. If the US can't afford billions of dollars to prevent the murder of potentially dozens more innocents and the extremely quick capture of such dangerous criminals, then what the heck is the point of all that money.
- bsg75 14y ago
  > he destroys the lifetime value of hundreds Lifetime? Now that is an amplification.
  - jellicle 14y ago
    Not in the slightest. Humans live for perhaps 30,000 days total. If you make 30,000 humans waste a day, you've destroyed one life in its entirety. If you make 720,000 humans waste an hour, you've destroyed one life. Security theater in the U.S. has cost many thousands of lives in the past ten years, for nothing.
- carbocation 14y ago
  I don't think your comment is a substantive response to bsg75's point. He started with "On the rare occurrence..." Exceptions can be made for exceptional circumstances. If, God forbid, terrorism on US soil becomes commonplace, then his point is no longer applicable (since his point is about rare things).

Anechoic 14y ago

This actually happens fairly regularly after armed robberies and gang activity, although the affected area tends to only be a few blocks. But if I am aware of a real danger posed by the armed subject (for example, the suspect has killed an innocent homeowner rather than thug-on-thug crime) and the restrictions are voluntary and temporary, then yes, I'm will in help out.

largesse 14y ago
It's a slippery slope. Right now is voluntary, but there's a very good chance that if it happens more often, police will find public support for arresting people who don't comply. The news media is making it worse by taking "lockdown", a term that originated in prisons and then appropriated by schools and throwing it around in this context. Schools, at least, have some sort of legal basis for restricting movement as they are loco in parentis for minors. There is no legal basis for doing this to adults in cities short of an actual declaration of martial law.