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This article does little more than pointlessly recycle the tired old trope of the "wisdom of crowds". Yes, the Boston police tried to create some sort of ad-hoc

by zeteo 14y ago

This article does little more than pointlessly recycle the tired old trope of the "wisdom of crowds". Yes, the Boston police tried to create some sort of ad-hoc Mechanical Turk. With what results? The relevant video came not from a cellphone camera, but from a good old-fashioned department store surveillance camera. There is no mention of who did the analysis that identified suspects on that video; I suspect it was trained professionals and not the crowds. Meanwhile, we know the Reddit threads have resulted in a few false positives that only luckily didn't create a tragedy. I see no magical improvement in police efficiency with all this. Oh, and the front page of Reddit is still a worse source of news than the front page of the NYT.

doktrin 14y ago
A BI piece claiming the "Reddit hive-mind" essentially did the lions share of work in identifying the bombers [1] rolled across my FB feed an hour ago. I typically don't put much stock in anything that comes out of Business Insider, nor have I attempted to verify their claims. Certainly grain of salt worthy. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-bombers-martin-richard-and-reddit-veto-cispa-2013-4?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sai http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-bombers-martin-richard...
- zeteo 14y ago
  The FBI had already identified the suspects at that point. The practice of presenting an image - possibly of poor quality - to the public and asking for information to help apprehend the suspect is pretty old and standard police practice. Yes, Reddit makes it easier for the public to respond - but there's nothing fundamentally revolutionary here.
- walshemj 14y ago
  Which is total bolocks redit is damm lucky they dint get anyone killed as the Guardian headline says it all "Boston bombing identification attempts on social media end in farce" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/boston-bombing-suspects-reddit-social-media http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/boston-bombing-s... I particularly liked the new statesmans description of redits attempt to help as "a racist game of wheres wally"
unimpressive 14y ago
>Oh, and the front page of Reddit is still a worse source of news than the front page of the NYT. I would argue that Reddit is no longer a news site. Go compare the front page of Reddit to the front page of Digg. You'll instantly see the difference. My current hypothesis is that as a community becomes more insular the quality goes down. Though obviously if there is a theme for the discussion board then veering off topic is bad.
- nwzpaperman 14y ago
  Reddit became just another aggregator. Flooded with legacy media content and meme photos with a pinch of porn and a junk commenting system. All of the peer generated content is lost in the sea of irrelevance.
  - rdl 14y ago
    Subreddits seem strongly resistant to this, but maybe that doesn't help the un-logged-in or new user. I read r/gundeals, r/til, and r/iama. None of those have crappy external links. There are the obnoxious memes within comments, though.
- vy8vWJlco 14y ago
  Now compare both of those to the front page of HN. My current theory is that as the community becomes more popular, the technical content goes down and the social thought-pieces and popular references go up.
joshmlewis 14y ago
I don't know about that last claim. The live news feed on reddit was very well curated, documented, sourced, and community driven for accuracy. Most developments came straight from the police scanner and people close to the scene PLUS a combined gathering of the mainstream news stories to accompany or support items. Some of it was I'm sure had flaws but a lot was pretty accurate from what I could tell.
- rhdoenges 14y ago
  I think parent is referring to the general case and not this particular instance. I could be wrong.
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kintamanimatt 14y ago
The front page is just a collection of the most popular submissions from the default subreddits if you're a new user or not logged in, so yeah, it will be a worse source of news because it's not intended to be a source of news. However, the news subreddits do a really good job at linking to popular news stories and providing rapid updates to "breaking" situations, e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1cnwms/mods_removed_thread_live_updates_of_boston/ http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1cnwms/mods_removed_th... The comments on submissions can provide a lot of value too, where there's value to be had.
gexla 14y ago
To add to old-fashioned surveillance cameras is old fashion witness questioning. It seems that at least one witness was able to provide a description which probably filled in a lot for the who, what and when to focus on.
wslh 14y ago
I am not a "crodsourcist" or pro vigilante but I think better platforms can be built to help on a criminal investigation. To prevent false crowd revenges a kind of anonymization must be applied to the data.

by zeteo 14y ago

doktrin 14y ago

A BI piece claiming the "Reddit hive-mind" essentially did the lions share of work in identifying the bombers [1] rolled across my FB feed an hour ago. I typically don't put much stock in anything that comes out of Business Insider, nor have I attempted to verify their claims. Certainly grain of salt worthy. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-bombers-martin-richard-and-reddit-veto-cispa-2013-4?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sai http://www.businessinsider.com/boston-bombers-martin-richard...

zeteo 14y ago
The FBI had already identified the suspects at that point. The practice of presenting an image - possibly of poor quality - to the public and asking for information to help apprehend the suspect is pretty old and standard police practice. Yes, Reddit makes it easier for the public to respond - but there's nothing fundamentally revolutionary here.
walshemj 14y ago
Which is total bolocks redit is damm lucky they dint get anyone killed as the Guardian headline says it all "Boston bombing identification attempts on social media end in farce" http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/boston-bombing-suspects-reddit-social-media http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/19/boston-bombing-s... I particularly liked the new statesmans description of redits attempt to help as "a racist game of wheres wally"

unimpressive 14y ago

>Oh, and the front page of Reddit is still a worse source of news than the front page of the NYT. I would argue that Reddit is no longer a news site. Go compare the front page of Reddit to the front page of Digg. You'll instantly see the difference. My current hypothesis is that as a community becomes more insular the quality goes down. Though obviously if there is a theme for the discussion board then veering off topic is bad.

nwzpaperman 14y ago
Reddit became just another aggregator. Flooded with legacy media content and meme photos with a pinch of porn and a junk commenting system. All of the peer generated content is lost in the sea of irrelevance.
- rdl 14y ago
  Subreddits seem strongly resistant to this, but maybe that doesn't help the un-logged-in or new user. I read r/gundeals, r/til, and r/iama. None of those have crappy external links. There are the obnoxious memes within comments, though.
vy8vWJlco 14y ago
Now compare both of those to the front page of HN. My current theory is that as the community becomes more popular, the technical content goes down and the social thought-pieces and popular references go up.

joshmlewis 14y ago

I don't know about that last claim. The live news feed on reddit was very well curated, documented, sourced, and community driven for accuracy. Most developments came straight from the police scanner and people close to the scene PLUS a combined gathering of the mainstream news stories to accompany or support items. Some of it was I'm sure had flaws but a lot was pretty accurate from what I could tell.

rhdoenges 14y ago
I think parent is referring to the general case and not this particular instance. I could be wrong.

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kintamanimatt 14y ago

The front page is just a collection of the most popular submissions from the default subreddits if you're a new user or not logged in, so yeah, it will be a worse source of news because it's not intended to be a source of news. However, the news subreddits do a really good job at linking to popular news stories and providing rapid updates to "breaking" situations, e.g. http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1cnwms/mods_removed_thread_live_updates_of_boston/ http://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/1cnwms/mods_removed_th... The comments on submissions can provide a lot of value too, where there's value to be had.

gexla 14y ago

To add to old-fashioned surveillance cameras is old fashion witness questioning. It seems that at least one witness was able to provide a description which probably filled in a lot for the who, what and when to focus on.

wslh 14y ago

I am not a "crodsourcist" or pro vigilante but I think better platforms can be built to help on a criminal investigation. To prevent false crowd revenges a kind of anonymization must be applied to the data.