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Thank God. While I'm honestly not concerned about the man's well-being - that 8-year-old boy should be alive in his place - I am very curious as to why they did

by pvnick 14y ago

Thank God. While I'm honestly not concerned about the man's well-being - that 8-year-old boy should be alive in his place - I am very curious as to why they did this.

jimmar 14y ago
I wonder if he'll talk. If he is treated like a normal citizen, he doesn't have to say a single thing to the officers conducting the investigation.
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- Maxious 14y ago
  He will not be treated as a normal citizen and will be interviewed by the "high value detainee interrogation group" https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 edit: Carmen Ortiz (prosecutor in Aaron Swartz case and now Boston Bombing/Manhunt) confirms use of public safety exemption
anigbrowl 14y ago
Agreed. A trial is the best possible outcome to this bad situation. Boston & surrounding PDs did a good job.
- caf 14y ago
  I wonder how they'll find a jury that doesn't already think he's guilty.
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Hmm, I wonder if the Amish do jury duty...
    - andrewpi 14y ago
      Generally not.. it is considered against their religious belief to judge others.
      - jlgreco 14y ago
        Aye. I imagine it would be bad form to deliberately choose Jury members all from one religious group anyway.
  - anigbrowl 14y ago
    Sometimes they hold a trial outside the area where the crime occurred for that very reason. Since he'll be facing federal charges I think they have fairly broad latitude on where the trial is held. Doubtless the government will go into court with a mountain of evidence. Considering how easily they were IDed and caught I'm guessing they left a lot of forensic evidence. Of course, he may decide to confess and plead guilty. There'll be an avalanche of detail either way, books ad nauseam and so on..
  - cema 14y ago
    Well, look at the currently top comment (http://tf-575.com/images/renders/ http://tf-575.com/images/renders/), they are victims, see... A jury is possible, yes.
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    - jlgreco 14y ago
      Bad link?
      - cema 14y ago
        Great link!
        jlgreco 14y ago
        Naughty link. :P
    - ajays 14y ago
      What the heck did you link to? :-D (cut-n-paste gone wild!)
    - vwinsyee 14y ago
      This link needs an NSFW tag...
    - cynwoody 14y ago
      LOL! Sometimes it's wise not to assume we know what's on the clipboard. That link is to a pile of computer-rendered lesbian porn images!
    - cema 14y ago
      Heh, no idea what it was. Update: wow. WTF is this? :-) Thanks for all the upvotes...
corwinstephen 14y ago
They come from a very Islamic country and it's been said that they'd recently started wearing traditional Muslim clothing--a switch from the european clothing they'd been wearing for most of their lives. It's easy for kids to become obsessed with a cause... even if it's a terrible one. Basically, all signs point to this being just another religious extremist attack.
- anigbrowl 14y ago
  The big question is to what degree it was organized, or whether the older brother's social problems (inability to connect etc.) so alienated him that he just seized on the most empowering role model he could think of, an Islamic rebel. Chechnya is a country that has been ruled pretty poorly by Russia at it's not so long ago that Chechen Muslims were seen as heroic freedom fighters in the west. In short, it's unclear whether they were actually involved with any organized jihad groups or just developed a personal obsession with the ideas and copied the methods.
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- ajays 14y ago
  It appears that the elder brother got disillusioned/pissed-off (I guess he came here in his late teens, so didn't get the chance to adjust). He got angry. Maybe he felt that he belonged in the Olympic team and didn't make it. Whatever. But this provided the kindling; and some religious nut turned this anger into a weapon. The younger brother was just too much under the influence of the elder, it appears from what I've read. Maybe he looked up to him, and just followed him blindly. Who knows. As long as we keep figuring out ways to hate each other, we'll keep figuring out ways to kill each other.
- pekk 14y ago
  At the time they came to the US, they were tiny little boys. They are from the US, we just don't want to own them.
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deelowe 14y ago
Speculation is that they are/were radical jihadists based on their background and recent changes in their behavior.

by pvnick 14y ago

Thank God. While I'm honestly not concerned about the man's well-being - that 8-year-old boy should be alive in his place - I am very curious as to why they did this.

jimmar 14y ago

I wonder if he'll talk. If he is treated like a normal citizen, he doesn't have to say a single thing to the officers conducting the investigation.

deleted 14y ago
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Maxious 14y ago
He will not be treated as a normal citizen and will be interviewed by the "high value detainee interrogation group" https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 edit: Carmen Ortiz (prosecutor in Aaron Swartz case and now Boston Bombing/Manhunt) confirms use of public safety exemption

anigbrowl 14y ago

Agreed. A trial is the best possible outcome to this bad situation. Boston & surrounding PDs did a good job.

caf 14y ago
I wonder how they'll find a jury that doesn't already think he's guilty.
- jlgreco 14y ago
  Hmm, I wonder if the Amish do jury duty...
  - andrewpi 14y ago
    Generally not.. it is considered against their religious belief to judge others.
    - jlgreco 14y ago
      Aye. I imagine it would be bad form to deliberately choose Jury members all from one religious group anyway.
- anigbrowl 14y ago
  Sometimes they hold a trial outside the area where the crime occurred for that very reason. Since he'll be facing federal charges I think they have fairly broad latitude on where the trial is held. Doubtless the government will go into court with a mountain of evidence. Considering how easily they were IDed and caught I'm guessing they left a lot of forensic evidence. Of course, he may decide to confess and plead guilty. There'll be an avalanche of detail either way, books ad nauseam and so on..
- cema 14y ago
  Well, look at the currently top comment (http://tf-575.com/images/renders/ http://tf-575.com/images/renders/), they are victims, see... A jury is possible, yes.
  - deleted 14y ago
    [deleted]
  - jlgreco 14y ago
    Bad link?
    - cema 14y ago
      Great link!
      - jlgreco 14y ago
        Naughty link. :P
  - ajays 14y ago
    What the heck did you link to? :-D (cut-n-paste gone wild!)
  - vwinsyee 14y ago
    This link needs an NSFW tag...
  - cynwoody 14y ago
    LOL! Sometimes it's wise not to assume we know what's on the clipboard. That link is to a pile of computer-rendered lesbian porn images!
  - cema 14y ago
    Heh, no idea what it was. Update: wow. WTF is this? :-) Thanks for all the upvotes...

corwinstephen 14y ago

They come from a very Islamic country and it's been said that they'd recently started wearing traditional Muslim clothing--a switch from the european clothing they'd been wearing for most of their lives. It's easy for kids to become obsessed with a cause... even if it's a terrible one. Basically, all signs point to this being just another religious extremist attack.

anigbrowl 14y ago
The big question is to what degree it was organized, or whether the older brother's social problems (inability to connect etc.) so alienated him that he just seized on the most empowering role model he could think of, an Islamic rebel. Chechnya is a country that has been ruled pretty poorly by Russia at it's not so long ago that Chechen Muslims were seen as heroic freedom fighters in the west. In short, it's unclear whether they were actually involved with any organized jihad groups or just developed a personal obsession with the ideas and copied the methods.
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]
ajays 14y ago
It appears that the elder brother got disillusioned/pissed-off (I guess he came here in his late teens, so didn't get the chance to adjust). He got angry. Maybe he felt that he belonged in the Olympic team and didn't make it. Whatever. But this provided the kindling; and some religious nut turned this anger into a weapon. The younger brother was just too much under the influence of the elder, it appears from what I've read. Maybe he looked up to him, and just followed him blindly. Who knows. As long as we keep figuring out ways to hate each other, we'll keep figuring out ways to kill each other.
pekk 14y ago
At the time they came to the US, they were tiny little boys. They are from the US, we just don't want to own them.
- 14y ago

deelowe 14y ago

Speculation is that they are/were radical jihadists based on their background and recent changes in their behavior.