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Boston Bombing Suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Apprehended Alive
- pvnick 13y agoThank God. While I'm honestly not concerned about the man's well-being - that 8-year-old boy should be alive in his place - I am very curious as to why they did this.
- jimmar 13y agoI wonder if he'll talk. If he is treated like a normal citizen, he doesn't have to say a single thing to the officers conducting the investigation.
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- Maxious 13y agoHe will not be treated as a normal citizen and will be interviewed by the "high value detainee interrogation group" https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 edit: Carmen Ortiz (prosecutor in Aaron Swartz case and now Boston Bombing/Manhunt) confirms use of public safety exemption
- anigbrowl 13y agoAgreed. A trial is the best possible outcome to this bad situation. Boston & surrounding PDs did a good job.
- caf 13y agoI wonder how they'll find a jury that doesn't already think he's guilty.
- jlgreco 13y agoHmm, I wonder if the Amish do jury duty...
- anigbrowl 13y agoSometimes they hold a trial outside the area where the crime occurred for that very reason. Since he'll be facing federal charges I think they have fairly broad latitude on where the trial is held. Doubtless the government will go into court with a mountain of evidence. Considering how easily they were IDed and caught I'm guessing they left a lot of forensic evidence. Of course, he may decide to confess and plead guilty. There'll be an avalanche of detail either way, books ad nauseam and so on..
- cema 13y agoWell, look at the currently top comment (http://tf-575.com/images/renders/ http://tf-575.com/images/renders/), they are victims, see... A jury is possible, yes.
- corwinstephen 13y agoThey come from a very Islamic country and it's been said that they'd recently started wearing traditional Muslim clothing--a switch from the european clothing they'd been wearing for most of their lives. It's easy for kids to become obsessed with a cause... even if it's a terrible one. Basically, all signs point to this being just another religious extremist attack.
- anigbrowl 13y agoThe big question is to what degree it was organized, or whether the older brother's social problems (inability to connect etc.) so alienated him that he just seized on the most empowering role model he could think of, an Islamic rebel. Chechnya is a country that has been ruled pretty poorly by Russia at it's not so long ago that Chechen Muslims were seen as heroic freedom fighters in the west. In short, it's unclear whether they were actually involved with any organized jihad groups or just developed a personal obsession with the ideas and copied the methods.
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- ajays 13y agoIt appears that the elder brother got disillusioned/pissed-off (I guess he came here in his late teens, so didn't get the chance to adjust). He got angry. Maybe he felt that he belonged in the Olympic team and didn't make it. Whatever. But this provided the kindling; and some religious nut turned this anger into a weapon. The younger brother was just too much under the influence of the elder, it appears from what I've read. Maybe he looked up to him, and just followed him blindly. Who knows. As long as we keep figuring out ways to hate each other, we'll keep figuring out ways to kill each other.
- pekk 13y agoAt the time they came to the US, they were tiny little boys. They are from the US, we just don't want to own them.
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- deelowe 13y agoSpeculation is that they are/were radical jihadists based on their background and recent changes in their behavior.
- ericb 13y agoI'm impressed with the professionalism of the Boston police. After cops killed, and a day-long adrenaline filled hunt, they managed to remain professional for the sake of the greater good and take this schmuck alive. edit: I guess only 1 cop was killed?
- rdl 13y agoIt's interesting comparing their behavior to the LAPD/etc. during the Christopher Dorner manhunt a few months ago.
- jlgreco 13y agoYeah. I don't normally commend people for doing what they should do but in this case I'll make an exception. It must have been very hard to stay professional but it seems they have just set a good example for police across the nation.
- gkoberger 13y agoAgreed, but the slight difference is that Dorner was specifically targeting officers and their families. These two brothers were cop killers, however it was more "collateral damage" than their main goal.
- chadillac83 13y agoI think the Dorner thing has some factors you're not quite taking into account. 1. He was a trained professional 2. He knew their hand, their next move even 3. He was an outed cop on a rampage based on inequality in the ranks of the LAPD I don't think Dorner was ever going to be brought in alive, the LAPD didn't want him to have a soap box to preach from or to give him hero status. I remember shaking my head as I listened to police scanner while they started to set the cabin on fire. This was a scared confused kid hiding in a boat with the nation watching and wanting to hear what he had to say. The other seemed more like a shut it up, sweep it under the rug, the guy is a nut, let's all just forget this happened kinda thing.
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- arjn 13y agoGlad to hear they got him alive, it must have been hard to do that. Having him alive is important to understand and analyse the sequence of events, the motivation, the planning etc. There is also a possibility they had help and more people may be involved and if he were dead that would be very hard to discover. Kudos to the FBI and the Police authorities of Boston.
- clawrencewenham 13y agoThe ending to The Blues Brothers seems prophetic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2quc-iQ96R0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2quc-iQ96R0 To edit and elaborate: they shut down a large portion of New England, affecting millions of people. Amtrak service, for example, was suspended north of New York City at 12:30pm today. Private taxi service in the Boston Metro area shut down until 11am. Other public transit, such as the T, shut down for most of the day. People didn't go to work. I know it sounds callous, considering how many died or were maimed, but we now have to consider that a couple of pressure cookers are on par with hurricanes, blizzards and power blackouts when it comes to anesthetizing the North East corridor. I think we should think about this.
- Anechoic 13y ago* they shut down a large portion of New England* No, "they" really didn't. Life was pretty much normal outside of 128.
- cema 13y agoEven inside. I live in, uh, 10 minutes' drive up north from the Charles river, and my life was not disrupted at all.
- clawrencewenham 13y agoI don't know what 128 is, but I know of people who were taking Amtrak to Connecticut but had to get off at NYC and travel uptown to Grand Central Station to get on a commuter train. They weren't going to Boston. Amtrak service was halted north of NYC because of this manhunt. I do know that much of Boston had no choice but to take a day off on Friday. I know the Bruins game was cancelled, and that Comic Con was "postponed" and likely cancelled because of the difficulty of re-booking the conference center anytime before next year. Not even considering the salaries and overtime of the officers involved, it is not wrong to say that this manhunt may have cost hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of dollars in economic losses. For example, some of the speculation from The Washington Post this afternoon: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/19/the-entire-city-of-boston-has-shut-down-how-much-will-this-cost/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/04/19/t... This is as if an entire city went into anaphylaxis.
- ghc 13y agoFor me this will be the enduring image of the manhunt: http://i.imgur.com/lV7CMQA.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lV7CMQA.jpg Even if there's a manhunt, shelter in place order, and an officer with an assault rifle on every corner, life will go on.
- geuis 13y agoI don't understand what this is an image of. The quality is very poor, is this because its a crop of a much larger image?
- thom 13y agoI'm assuming from the long white dress that this is a photo of a wedding.
- mcphilip 13y agoIt looks like a crop of an image in a park where a bride and her bridal party are having their picture taken while the groomsmen wait off to the side.
- caf 13y agoA wedding.
- ghc 13y agoIt's actually poor quality because it's at max zoom on a Galaxy Nexus. It was an Italian wedding party with raucous singing by the men and I wanted to stay a respectful distance. This happened at about 5PM as I went in search of someplace open where I could get something to eat.
- TallboyOne 13y agoWhy are the parents saying 'he didn't do it' when they were throwing exploses out of a car and killing officers. Wtf??
- anigbrowl 13y agoBecause they literally can't believe it.
- campnic 13y agoIts the stages of grief. Something you've invested a considerable amount of your life in was revealed to you in the last 24 hours to be not what you believed it to be. That causes grief and causes denial.
- rickyc091 13y agoDenial.
- frisco 13y agoI can't help but feel like these brothers are also victims here. Of course, their victimhood is nothing like what they inflicted on the people of Boston and the marathoners, but they're victims nonetheless. Humans are glorified chemical reaction vessels; somehow, they ended up going down a path that led them here. Was there any alternative? Was it the education system? Social circumstances? I'm sure the magnitude of what he's done must be setting in on Dzhozkar now. Provided that this case is how it appears, his life is over; he's committed terrible crimes. But provided that he's not a biologically-determined sociopath, somewhere down the road he become subject to forces that ended up with him hiding from FBI HRT in someone's backyard after a prolonged shootout-chase with his brother dead. Even if this is justice, it seems tragic. EDIT: I'm not denying agency or free will, I'm just expressing the belief that you are the product of your environment. I like the saying that an individual will tend towards being the average of their friends. If all of your friends are into running, you'll probably end up being into running. If all of your friends are into music, you'll probably end up interested in music. Certain books, movies, or other cultural experiences can affect individuals in differing, significant ways. All of these forces act on people to create who they are tomorrow. There's no statement about free will, in a strong sense, in there. It's all about social and cultural context, and brownian motion. He's still responsible for his actions. I would reserve the term "human monster" for measurable psychopaths. Those do exist, and are a different matter entirely.
- darxius 13y agoI can see where you're coming from and we probably won't know until he gives a statement. Whether it was a religious, nationalist or anarchist attack, it will be interesting to see why he thought he needed to do what he did.
- marknutter 13y agoThis kind of thinking is very dangerous and can be used to excuse all sorts of terrible behavior. We are all responsible for our actions. I can't prove that we have free will, but I feel it's important to believe it.
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- citricsquid 13y agoEarlier I was reading through the Twitter account of the now apprehended suspect and what is most striking is just how normal he is. Every one of his tweets could have been attributed to a completely normal teenager, he couldn't be more generic. It's strange how Twitter offers an insight into his life... but really it doesn't show anything. When someone blew people up in the 90s the news would report they're crazy, we'd all accept it and move on but now with platforms like Twitter we can see how this could be any one of us, maybe we're all one shitty situation away from doing terrible things. Unnerving.
- kmfrk 13y agoSome of the people I regularly follow on Twitter were literally in disbelief over hearing this about someone they thought they knew - "please take him alive" they pleaded. It was awful to see someone be so wrong about a person, as it became more and more certain that he was indeed one of the people involved in the bombing.
- mynameishere 13y agoWait, what? You follow people on twitter who knew this nobody?
- stephengillie 13y agoThere are probably lots of people who are within 2 degrees of separation of this guy.
- khuey 13y agoAnyone who went to college in Boston can probably find a connection in a couple degrees.
- pcrh 13y agoMany people join the military and kill others, for example. Context matters.
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- lifeformed 13y agoSo who gets to be his lawyer?
- rdl 13y agoAlan Dershowitz?
- cema 13y agoUnlikely. He is very much against Islamic terrorism, and this is apparently just that case.
- rdl 13y agoHe's defended MEK, which seems to be both Marxist and Islamist, although admittedly also anti-Iranian-Government.
- pekk 13y agoIf someone who happens to be Christian carries out terrorism, is this Christian terrorism? Or do we have a special exception for Muslims who carry out terrorism, that their terrorism is Islamic terrorism?
- kps 13y agoIt depends. If the act is clearly motivated by religion and directed at perceived enemies of the religion then it is plainly religious terrorism. If the religion of the perpetrator is clearly irrelevant (e.g. a political cause, and the terrorists and perpetrators are of the same religion) then it is plainly not religious terrorism. In between are grey areas that can be argued case by case.
- signed0 13y agoNow that the full audio[1] transcript of the police scanner is available, I'd be interested in whether police ever actually mentioned the the two other individuals that everyone seemed to think had done it. [1]https://soundcloud.com/producermatthew/scanner-audio-from-watertown https://soundcloud.com/producermatthew/scanner-audio-from-wa...
- endianswap 13y agoThey did indeed mention the uh Mulugato guy (however it was spelled, I'm going from memory.) I was listening to it live last night, but what is unclear is why they were saying/spelling his name. They never said he was connected to this, they just mentioned his name/spelling on the same radio as the Boston Bombing investigation. Probably around 2:30AM EST if I had to guess (I heard it live.) Edit: Mulugeta, I guess, is how you spell it. I certainly didn't hear a first name, though, when I was listening, just the last name plus spelling of it.
- signed0 13y agoI think that name was mentioned in relation to a completely separate crime that was going on a the same time.
- TallboyOne 13y agoDid they ever figure out the motive of James Holmes? I'm wondering what ever happened with that.. any reason WHY?
- InclinedPlane 13y agohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes#Events_leading_to_the_shooting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes#Events_leadi...
- simonsarris 13y ago"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him." -Dostoevsky On twitter a lot of people are essentially saying "Good, now we'll get answers." I'm sorry to say I don't believe there is typically anything satisfying about the answers of people who become deranged. Maybe this time, but if reading about madmen past is any guide, its very unlikely that we will be enlightened by any testimony.
- eruditely 13y agoThe unabomber's manifesto was highly enlightening, and also frightening for how right he seemed on some of his points even if you technically disagree with many of them.
- InclinedPlane 13y agoHow old is the maxim "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"? And yet how often do we ignore it? Much of the worst evil in history has been committed in service to a hypothetical greater good, or in retribution against very real wrongs. Germany had serious grievances in their treatment after WWI, for example. Communism, including Stalinism and Maoism, was a response against an extremely unjust social and economic order. Just because you've been wronged and victimized doesn't give you free reign to commit wrongs yourself.
- eruditely 13y agoWho are you talking to? Nobody justified anybodies work, not this terrorist, not the unabomber and not any other organized retribution in history. No commentary was made except that the unabombers manifesto was enlightening. That is all.
- InclinedPlane 13y agoI'm not attacking you, relax, reread what I wrote, there's no attack there. I'm saying that most of the time people who do bad things based on ideological grounds are "right" about certain things in some way. It's the norm more than the exception. Real bad guys often have significant and real grievances, but it's how people respond to grievances and wrongs against them that makes them bad or good.
- benhodges 13y agoHacker News has become reddit.
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- frisco 13y ago> The word is they are throwing out Miranda for this What does this mean?
- rdouble 13y agoThere is a recent tweet claiming a "public safety exemption" will be used to bypass Miranda rights. That said, I'm not sure exactly what that means, either. https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524 https://twitter.com/abc/status/325417178927083524
- whyenot 13y agoThen educate yourself. It's just a google search away. Wikipedia: There is also a "public safety" exception to the requirement that Miranda warnings be given before questioning: for example, if the defendant is in possession of information regarding the location of an unattended gun or there are other similar exigent circumstances which require protection of the public, the defendant may be questioned without warning and his responses, though incriminating, will be admissible in evidence.
- rdouble 13y agoThanks. Good tip regarding this "google" site. Wikipedia looks pretty interesting, too.
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