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This whole discussion centers around the concept of energy backed money, which is just commodity backed money. You said that "its [energy] inflation naturally t
by bradleyland 14y ago
This whole discussion centers around the concept of energy backed money, which is just commodity backed money. You said that "its [energy] inflation naturally tracks the real world". Notahacker is pointing out that it doesn't.
So if we're not pegging money to a kJ (or whatever), then we're no longer talking about energy backed money.
> I do think that someone with twice the available energy is, to a first approximation, twice as well off, and that reducing the amount of energy it takes to do whatever you want to do also makes you better off, since both of these make you able to do more of the things you want to do (or have more of the things you want to have).
Yes, but we're talking about currency here. I get what you're saying: that the increases in efficiency reduce the "value" of your energy holdings, but it also increases the amount you can accomplish with the same energy. That is not a zero sum in a broader economic sense though, because the cost of different goods vary disproportionately with the cost of energy.
Once again, you're stuck with a currency with a supply that fluctuates out of sync with other major economic factors. You'd be better off backing your currency with an index of commodities from multiple sectors, but then you're making currencies in to something they don't need to be. As I said in my original post, if you want to buy assets of a specific kind, go buy them!
Currency is a form of short term accounting, and that's a good thing. Long term, you want currency at work in the form of exchange buying and selling things. You really only want people holding as much currency as they need to operate a means of production. Stagnant currency is stagnant means. It's the very definition of an economic slow down.
> It's true that there is an enormous amount of things we can do now that fall below a cost floor such that we can have however much we want, but in general I'm far more concerned with lowering costs and increasing options than with figuring out what the "value" of something is. Is a Kindle download as "valuable" as a physical book? I'm not sure that that has any objective answer. Is the cost of production lower (either in pounds or dollars or energy)? Enormously so. And that makes us all richer in comparison.
That is efficiency. It's a significant driver of economies. Everyone wants that. What's unclear is how a move from the USD to something commodity backed would benefit efficiency.
- randallsquared 14y agoI'm not sure how I'm being so unclear. > So if we're not pegging money to a kJ (or whatever), then we're no longer talking about energy backed money. You appear to be talking about pegging the USD to a given amount of energy. I think that's a bad idea, for the same reason as pegging the USD to a certain amount of gold was when the US didn't have enough gold to actually redeem it. Using energy as money is not about a fixed exchange rate from some non-energy system. I guess the problem here is that "based" and "backed" are being used interchangeably, and they aren't the same thing. Instead, I think it would be an interesting experiment to price everything else in energy. > I get what you're saying: that the increases in efficiency reduce the "value" of your energy holdings Well, increase the "value". Efficiency increases are personally deflationary if we're using energy as a currency, but without the macro effect of reducing the monetary supply or velocity, I would think.