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I don't know what bars you have in your area, but here a lot of bars have security cameras, which already record everything. In my opinion, the bar is a public

I don't know what bars you have in your area, but here a lot of bars have security cameras, which already record everything. In my opinion, the bar is a public place, where you should not expect the same privacy as in your home. While I like the privacy and even worked on software which will help protect it, I'm in favor of the right to film in public spaces, this way we as society can highlight bad things without being afraid of charges just for filming.

pekk 13y ago
You have mis-described the status quo. Socially, a pub is not at all the same as the town square. I don't know the last time I saw a security camera at a bar. At any rate, security cameras are not at every table. And it would not be accepted to upload footage from the security cameras to Facebook and tag me in the footage. The people running a bar have no interest in messing with their security system unless there is a major incident, and they have an active commercial interest in not exposing all their customers (or blackmailing them for making an off-color joke, etc.) as this would tend to inhibit repeat business. I have no worries about the owner of a bar sharing surveillance footage of me with the FBI. The FBI is relatively restrained, under a certain amount of supervision and legal constraint, and not interested in my off-color jokes. These things really don't apply to private individuals. You say you want to "highlight bad things" but maybe you are Adria Richards. I have no idea what you think are bad things. There is no upside for me in every second out of the bathroom being uploaded to Facebook. Taking video of me at a bar against my consent is not a right. That's just something you want to do.
- Egregore 13y ago
  Status quo is already actively moving in a direction of less privacy expectation in public spaces, for example can you be sure that person in front of you is writing a sms message on his phone and not recording you? You can try to fight it, but I can't see how it can be done without inflicting more oppression, so my solution is to allow these new things to serve society instead of adding oppression and banning those things.
jiggy2011 13y ago
If you went to my local bar , got your phone out and started going about filming/photographing everyone you would probably be asked to leave. At least security camera tapes are usually for that purpose and footage isn't live streamed to social media websites.
quasque 13y ago
There is an expectation of the bar to not use that footage for anything other than crime prevention and suchlike. Bars do not typically upload all their CCTV data to a wider internet audience - or even to a central, powerful authority such as Google.

pekk 13y ago

You have mis-described the status quo. Socially, a pub is not at all the same as the town square. I don't know the last time I saw a security camera at a bar. At any rate, security cameras are not at every table. And it would not be accepted to upload footage from the security cameras to Facebook and tag me in the footage. The people running a bar have no interest in messing with their security system unless there is a major incident, and they have an active commercial interest in not exposing all their customers (or blackmailing them for making an off-color joke, etc.) as this would tend to inhibit repeat business. I have no worries about the owner of a bar sharing surveillance footage of me with the FBI. The FBI is relatively restrained, under a certain amount of supervision and legal constraint, and not interested in my off-color jokes. These things really don't apply to private individuals. You say you want to "highlight bad things" but maybe you are Adria Richards. I have no idea what you think are bad things. There is no upside for me in every second out of the bathroom being uploaded to Facebook. Taking video of me at a bar against my consent is not a right. That's just something you want to do.

Egregore 13y ago
Status quo is already actively moving in a direction of less privacy expectation in public spaces, for example can you be sure that person in front of you is writing a sms message on his phone and not recording you? You can try to fight it, but I can't see how it can be done without inflicting more oppression, so my solution is to allow these new things to serve society instead of adding oppression and banning those things.

jiggy2011 13y ago

If you went to my local bar , got your phone out and started going about filming/photographing everyone you would probably be asked to leave. At least security camera tapes are usually for that purpose and footage isn't live streamed to social media websites.

quasque 13y ago

There is an expectation of the bar to not use that footage for anything other than crime prevention and suchlike. Bars do not typically upload all their CCTV data to a wider internet audience - or even to a central, powerful authority such as Google.