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Could HN stop participating in the witchhunt?

382 points by Uchikoma 14y ago

The bomber suspect threads are disgusting. Smearing people, then back paddling. Cross posting from Reddit for karma whoring here drags this place down. Please stop.

jkldotio 14y ago
I think there is a stronger case to be made that the topic simply doesn't fit hacker news.
- Uchikoma 14y ago
  I agree, though I find the discussion what should be on hacker new more complicated than the ethic discussion.
  - jeremysmyth 14y ago
    It's challenging because the only official documentation on the subject is this: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting...anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports... Speaking personally, I love reading about EFF taking the US government to court, which is politics. I also love reading about the technical advancements in Formula 1, which is sports. Sports and politics, yes, but also very gratifying to my intellectual curiosity. Here's the thing: I wouldn't want to see them on Hacker News, because I can (and do) get them elsewhere. This particular community gives me things I can't get elsewhere, and I love it for that. I don't want it to become another Reddit (or even another Slashdot, or Digg, or Gawker, or TechCrunch, Cracked, Metafilter, or ZDNet). Hacker News is not (yet) a general purpose "news for nerds" or "all your internet goodness curated", and the longer we can stave off its descent into the general-purpose semi-curated things of somewhat geeky Internet interest, as every other good site of any age seems to have descended to, the better.
    - DanBC 14y ago
      You've missed out the stuff about shallowly but intensely interesting which is shown in the welcome message to new users. I don't know how to re-read this if you lose the link. (http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html) > A crap link is one that's only superficially interesting. Stories on HN don't have to be about hacking, because good hackers aren't only interested in hacking, but they do have to be deeply interesting. > What does "deeply interesting" mean? It means stuff that teaches you about the world. A story about a robbery, for example, would probably not be deeply interesting. But if this robbery was a sign of some bigger, underlying trend, then perhaps it could be. > The worst thing to post or upvote is something that's intensely but shallowly interesting. Gossip about famous people, funny or cute pictures or videos, partisan political articles, etc. If you let that sort of thing onto a news site, it will push aside the deeply interesting stuff, which tends to be quieter. EFF taking US Government to court could fit here, because it doesn't have to be partisan politics, and it could be a deeply interesting discussion of legal process. I've learnt a lot about US law from contributors here. "Vettel Wins" is sports, "Redbull use X to help Vettel win" is probably tech. I agree about not wanting to see them on HN; while they could be discussed well and in conformance to the site guidelines they're usually not.
leoedin 14y ago
I completely agree. This isn't a place that people should come for live updates on current events. There's plenty of sites that already cater for that - please use them. This isn't a general interest news site.
- korg250 14y ago
  agreed!
- Evgeny 14y ago
  I read the post just a day or so ago about how the news are bad for you and make you unhappy. I thought to myself 'good for me that I knew that already and have limited my news intake to HN and HN only'. There we go - looks like it's not possible to be on a strict news diet but keep oneself updated with tech news only.
swombat 14y ago
From the guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
- prawn 14y ago
  pg himself posted a Watertown Twitter list: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5575255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5575255 Do you think that was intended just as a temporary resource, a suggestion that he did think this was on-topic or just got caught up in the moment, or was an invitation to discuss the new level of live public participation (to whatever extent) in the unveiling of a big story? I think there's an interesting discussion to be had around the latter. As I said in the linked thread, I have a very strong dislike of typical 24-hour news broadcasts, but I have found the online tracking of this story as it's unveiled quite gripping. Been following it really closely for maybe five hours?
  - danielweber 14y ago
    Boston is a start-up hub, 'pg is from there, a lot of users are from there. So there will be a lot of interest here, just like if the bombing were in Silicon Valley. (I'm trying hard not to say what HN policy should be with this comment. Just explaining human behavior.)
- tzs 14y ago
  Also from the guidelines: "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." Note that the "off-topic" guidelines contain two exceptions. The first sentence provides an exception for interesting new phenomenon. The interaction between social media, traditional media, and the police in this case is interesting and new enough to arguably qualify. The "cover it on TV news" sentence says it is probably off-topic, not that it certainly is.
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brianbreslin 14y ago
My question is, when it is a public service announcement that can protect or prevent further harm to our community (say the MIT shooting last night), then does it make sense? I agree the witch hunt stuff is appalling though.
- ry0ohki 14y ago
  I would say no, Hacker News is not a source of local public service announcements.
- mavroprovato 14y ago
  I believe not. People go to other places at the internet except from Hacker News. They can get the information from there.
- pc86 14y ago
  Take a look at swombat's top-level comment in this thread. There's a good take-away here: "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."
- ankitaggarwal 14y ago
  I agree. Keeping the 'comments' part apart, I feel it was OK that this kind of story is shown on the frontpage. I visit google news multiple times in a day, but today HN was the first place I came to know about this incident. For the person living in that area, this can be a very useful info.
- atirip 14y ago
  May I ask "public service announcement" in which country? There are presently more than 190 member States of the United Nations.
  - darkarmani 14y ago
    Does that include Taiwan which is a country but we aren't allowed to mention it?
iagomr 14y ago
I think it's not the first day that at least 3 people die in a tragedy this year, or even this month, what the hell not even this week. This is not the place to discuss these matters, neither is very intelligent to participate in this cynical media campaign.
youngerdryas 14y ago
One is dead the other will soon be dead and then everyone can go back to posting about how horrible America is.
nikcub 14y ago
When this is all over I hope there is a decent post-portem look at reddit and its relationship with the media, especially with the efforts to attempt to find the Boston Marathon bombers. The story of 'internet wizards find Boston suspects' was too good to not publish. The media portrayed it as hackers using their intelligence and the resources of the internet to track down criminals, but it ended up being nothing more than some people flicking through photos and profiling based on race, appearance etc. In total I saw over two dozen people marked as 'suspects'. I open Facebook and my non-tech friends are all sharing homemade 'WANTED' posters with full pictures of the people identified. Everybody was suspect until they were 'cleared' - the very definition of a witch hunt. Digital vigilante justice. Nobody learned their lesson, because it was only a couple of hours later that the media were reporting that suspect #2 was the missing Brown kid. I switched on prime time news in Australia and the news that the Brown student was terrorist suspect number two was the top story!. Speechless. I tried in vain to get the reddit threads removed and shutdown (IMO they violate the 'no dox' rule) but got nowhere. The privacy right of individuals are being torn apart by online mobs (I was told in a reply that if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to worry about). It depresses me to think that nothing will be learned from this entire experience. This is exactly why the government feels like they should get involved in regulating the internet, because we aren't taking care of it ourselves. I can already see how a case will be put together next week using the reddit witch hunt threads as a reason why the internet needs censorship. Think about what our responses are going to be to that.
- prawn 14y ago
  I think the Brown student's name was mentioned by police as one of the two suspects and it went from there. There's probably a lesson in public reaction to information from police scanners to be had. Given that police mobilised near the suspects' apartment only around or after the time that their address was hitting social media, I suspect that at least in this case, many cops on the ground (and using their radios) were getting info at roughly the same pace as everyone else. e.g., if there's an official statement, it will be a press briefing or designated as something official.
  - smoyer 14y ago
manaskarekar 14y ago
Disclaimer: Not saying what should be, just what is. I don't come to HN for updates on current events, I come here for the interesting commentary. I do not agree with the 'Vigilante' threads, which will be flagged, but news threads with a healthy discussion have some value. Have you looked at the comments on any news site article? This may not be in line with HN's intended goal, but it's a side effect akin to bringing critical minds to the water cooler conversation.
- superbaconman 14y ago
  there's so much everyday news hitting hn that I only ever read the new section. the hn community has become too large and its interests too generalized. the lack of focus on personal projects and introductions to new technology is destroying the once highly specialized community. if mods don't start guiding the topics I'm afraid hn won't have anything left to offer. topics like the events the unfolded this week are important, but their discussion is more suited to Reddit. it would be hard for anyone to argue the same level of discussion doesn't happen on Reddit, though I conceed you won't get any karma for it.
darkarmani 14y ago
Can we stop comparing talking about people in photos as a witchhunt?
- gee_totes 14y ago
  Good point. I think you might mean "to a witchhunt", though, not "as a witchhunt". </GrammarNazi>
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tpainton 14y ago
And in end...it was exactly who they thought it was.
- enterpriseos 14y ago
  Yep! Islamic terrorism as always.
  - smtddr 14y ago
    I see your account was created just for this single comment, to spread fear and hate. I'm not replying to you for your sake; I'm just posting this here for the rest of the HN folks because I'm beginning to think this vid[1] will be needed in the days to come. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnxnYEVp4U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnxnYEVp4U
    - tpainton 14y ago
      I would say his comment is simply reflecting on the odds. Its islamic extremists who are spreading fear and hate. Who hijacked your religion? See Beslan School Massacre on youtube.
      - smtddr 14y ago
        The problem with this kind of thinking is that you put the blame squarely on religion. It shows a lack of consideration of what the _core_ cause is. Why do they not like America? Did they just wake up one day and said "Okay, let's blow 'em up". Some group of people got angry at America[1], then fooled a bunch of religious people to believe following them is doing their deity's wishes. Instead of just saying, "See! Islam is bad!" you should look to the root of the issue. Same problem with just going around saying "black people steal". When you state it like that, you make it sound like it's the skin color that causes stealing; it lacks the full consideration of history and what happened with this group of people and the current social-economics that is not balanced. Whatever you think the reason is, I can tell you that the color of your skin doesn't make you good or bad. Just like being religious doesn't make you good or bad. 1. And let me tell you, these folks have reason to be mad at USA. While I understand blowing up people is never a reasonable reaction, religion is not the origin of the problem. EDIT: And I see your youtube vid link, it's the same issue. Religion is the not the cause, it is exploited by people who want power.
gokhan 14y ago
Btw, Reddit folks should raise money to help Sunil's family finding their son. They owe it to the family, since they badly broke hearts on that front.
- randallsquared 14y ago
  Perhaps they could split the money, and half of it could help Sunil hide from his family more effectively? :/
largesse 14y ago
I'm ashamed to say it, but I can live with the threat of terrorism. Statistically, is nearly insignificant next to all of the other risks in our lives. What makes my blood boil is the overreaction, fear, and fear-mongering that goes along with it. Add in the incessant calls for more intrusive security measures and I feel like we are living in an nightmare.
largesse 14y ago
I'm ashamed to say it, but I can live with the threat of terrorism. Statistically, is nearly insignificant next to all of the other risks in our lives. What makes my blood boil is the overreaction, fear, and fear-mongering that goes along with it. Add in the witch hunts and the incessant calls for more intrusive security measures and I feel like we are living in a nightmare.
kbart 14y ago
Totally agree that HN should not be a place for local news. I come here for interesting _technical_ stories, topics and discussions and I would go to cnn.com, nytimes.com etc. if I'm interested in USA news instead.
withoutthis 14y ago
The human centipede goes 4chan>reddit>media>hn
b6 14y ago
I basically agree with OP, but this incident really made me wish there was a better framework for collaboration between LE and amateurs. For example, it would have been great if the FBI had put up a site with instructions like "use this form to upload better pictures of this person". Because seemingly within minutes of the FBI releasing really bad photos, Reddit had found much better photos, knew their exact hats, etc. But the communication between the two was incredibly haphazard.
DanBC 14y ago
Strongly agree. In fact, I'd go further. Almost all the threads about the bombs are pretty much content-free. There's very little of interest to hackers. Even the stuff that could have been interesting ("How do you examine very many photographs and video clips for clues?") was left ignored. I flagged a lot of threads. There's been some suggestions that flagging a popular thread works against the person flagging. That's a shame if it's true, because some threads just don't belong here even if they are popular.
k__ 14y ago
I thought, this is how Reddit works...
CarlosT 14y ago
Everybody hates a witch hunt until they see a witch. "Witch!"

382 points by Uchikoma 14y ago

The bomber suspect threads are disgusting. Smearing people, then back paddling. Cross posting from Reddit for karma whoring here drags this place down. Please stop.

jkldotio 14y ago

I think there is a stronger case to be made that the topic simply doesn't fit hacker news.

Uchikoma 14y ago
I agree, though I find the discussion what should be on hacker new more complicated than the ethic discussion.
- jeremysmyth 14y ago
  It's challenging because the only official documentation on the subject is this: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting...anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports... Speaking personally, I love reading about EFF taking the US government to court, which is politics. I also love reading about the technical advancements in Formula 1, which is sports. Sports and politics, yes, but also very gratifying to my intellectual curiosity. Here's the thing: I wouldn't want to see them on Hacker News, because I can (and do) get them elsewhere. This particular community gives me things I can't get elsewhere, and I love it for that. I don't want it to become another Reddit (or even another Slashdot, or Digg, or Gawker, or TechCrunch, Cracked, Metafilter, or ZDNet). Hacker News is not (yet) a general purpose "news for nerds" or "all your internet goodness curated", and the longer we can stave off its descent into the general-purpose semi-curated things of somewhat geeky Internet interest, as every other good site of any age seems to have descended to, the better.
  - DanBC 14y ago
    You've missed out the stuff about shallowly but intensely interesting which is shown in the welcome message to new users. I don't know how to re-read this if you lose the link. (http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html http://ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html) > A crap link is one that's only superficially interesting. Stories on HN don't have to be about hacking, because good hackers aren't only interested in hacking, but they do have to be deeply interesting. > What does "deeply interesting" mean? It means stuff that teaches you about the world. A story about a robbery, for example, would probably not be deeply interesting. But if this robbery was a sign of some bigger, underlying trend, then perhaps it could be. > The worst thing to post or upvote is something that's intensely but shallowly interesting. Gossip about famous people, funny or cute pictures or videos, partisan political articles, etc. If you let that sort of thing onto a news site, it will push aside the deeply interesting stuff, which tends to be quieter. EFF taking US Government to court could fit here, because it doesn't have to be partisan politics, and it could be a deeply interesting discussion of legal process. I've learnt a lot about US law from contributors here. "Vettel Wins" is sports, "Redbull use X to help Vettel win" is probably tech. I agree about not wanting to see them on HN; while they could be discussed well and in conformance to the site guidelines they're usually not.

leoedin 14y ago

I completely agree. This isn't a place that people should come for live updates on current events. There's plenty of sites that already cater for that - please use them. This isn't a general interest news site.

korg250 14y ago
agreed!
Evgeny 14y ago
I read the post just a day or so ago about how the news are bad for you and make you unhappy. I thought to myself 'good for me that I knew that already and have limited my news intake to HN and HN only'. There we go - looks like it's not possible to be on a strict news diet but keep oneself updated with tech news only.

swombat 14y ago

From the guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

prawn 14y ago
pg himself posted a Watertown Twitter list: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5575255 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5575255 Do you think that was intended just as a temporary resource, a suggestion that he did think this was on-topic or just got caught up in the moment, or was an invitation to discuss the new level of live public participation (to whatever extent) in the unveiling of a big story? I think there's an interesting discussion to be had around the latter. As I said in the linked thread, I have a very strong dislike of typical 24-hour news broadcasts, but I have found the online tracking of this story as it's unveiled quite gripping. Been following it really closely for maybe five hours?
- danielweber 14y ago
  Boston is a start-up hub, 'pg is from there, a lot of users are from there. So there will be a lot of interest here, just like if the bombing were in Silicon Valley. (I'm trying hard not to say what HN policy should be with this comment. Just explaining human behavior.)
tzs 14y ago
Also from the guidelines: "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity." Note that the "off-topic" guidelines contain two exceptions. The first sentence provides an exception for interesting new phenomenon. The interaction between social media, traditional media, and the police in this case is interesting and new enough to arguably qualify. The "cover it on TV news" sentence says it is probably off-topic, not that it certainly is.
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brianbreslin 14y ago

My question is, when it is a public service announcement that can protect or prevent further harm to our community (say the MIT shooting last night), then does it make sense? I agree the witch hunt stuff is appalling though.

ry0ohki 14y ago
I would say no, Hacker News is not a source of local public service announcements.
mavroprovato 14y ago
I believe not. People go to other places at the internet except from Hacker News. They can get the information from there.
pc86 14y ago
Take a look at swombat's top-level comment in this thread. There's a good take-away here: "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."
ankitaggarwal 14y ago
I agree. Keeping the 'comments' part apart, I feel it was OK that this kind of story is shown on the frontpage. I visit google news multiple times in a day, but today HN was the first place I came to know about this incident. For the person living in that area, this can be a very useful info.
atirip 14y ago
May I ask "public service announcement" in which country? There are presently more than 190 member States of the United Nations.
- darkarmani 14y ago
  Does that include Taiwan which is a country but we aren't allowed to mention it?

iagomr 14y ago

I think it's not the first day that at least 3 people die in a tragedy this year, or even this month, what the hell not even this week. This is not the place to discuss these matters, neither is very intelligent to participate in this cynical media campaign.

youngerdryas 14y ago

One is dead the other will soon be dead and then everyone can go back to posting about how horrible America is.

nikcub 14y ago

When this is all over I hope there is a decent post-portem look at reddit and its relationship with the media, especially with the efforts to attempt to find the Boston Marathon bombers. The story of 'internet wizards find Boston suspects' was too good to not publish. The media portrayed it as hackers using their intelligence and the resources of the internet to track down criminals, but it ended up being nothing more than some people flicking through photos and profiling based on race, appearance etc. In total I saw over two dozen people marked as 'suspects'. I open Facebook and my non-tech friends are all sharing homemade 'WANTED' posters with full pictures of the people identified. Everybody was suspect until they were 'cleared' - the very definition of a witch hunt. Digital vigilante justice. Nobody learned their lesson, because it was only a couple of hours later that the media were reporting that suspect #2 was the missing Brown kid. I switched on prime time news in Australia and the news that the Brown student was terrorist suspect number two was the top story!. Speechless. I tried in vain to get the reddit threads removed and shutdown (IMO they violate the 'no dox' rule) but got nowhere. The privacy right of individuals are being torn apart by online mobs (I was told in a reply that if I have nothing to hide I have nothing to worry about). It depresses me to think that nothing will be learned from this entire experience. This is exactly why the government feels like they should get involved in regulating the internet, because we aren't taking care of it ourselves. I can already see how a case will be put together next week using the reddit witch hunt threads as a reason why the internet needs censorship. Think about what our responses are going to be to that.

prawn 14y ago
I think the Brown student's name was mentioned by police as one of the two suspects and it went from there. There's probably a lesson in public reaction to information from police scanners to be had. Given that police mobilised near the suspects' apartment only around or after the time that their address was hitting social media, I suspect that at least in this case, many cops on the ground (and using their radios) were getting info at roughly the same pace as everyone else. e.g., if there's an official statement, it will be a press briefing or designated as something official.
- smoyer 14y ago

manaskarekar 14y ago

Disclaimer: Not saying what should be, just what is. I don't come to HN for updates on current events, I come here for the interesting commentary. I do not agree with the 'Vigilante' threads, which will be flagged, but news threads with a healthy discussion have some value. Have you looked at the comments on any news site article? This may not be in line with HN's intended goal, but it's a side effect akin to bringing critical minds to the water cooler conversation.

superbaconman 14y ago
there's so much everyday news hitting hn that I only ever read the new section. the hn community has become too large and its interests too generalized. the lack of focus on personal projects and introductions to new technology is destroying the once highly specialized community. if mods don't start guiding the topics I'm afraid hn won't have anything left to offer. topics like the events the unfolded this week are important, but their discussion is more suited to Reddit. it would be hard for anyone to argue the same level of discussion doesn't happen on Reddit, though I conceed you won't get any karma for it.

darkarmani 14y ago

Can we stop comparing talking about people in photos as a witchhunt?

gee_totes 14y ago
Good point. I think you might mean "to a witchhunt", though, not "as a witchhunt". </GrammarNazi>

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tpainton 14y ago

And in end...it was exactly who they thought it was.

enterpriseos 14y ago
Yep! Islamic terrorism as always.
- smtddr 14y ago
  I see your account was created just for this single comment, to spread fear and hate. I'm not replying to you for your sake; I'm just posting this here for the rest of the HN folks because I'm beginning to think this vid[1] will be needed in the days to come. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnxnYEVp4U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnxnYEVp4U
  - tpainton 14y ago
    I would say his comment is simply reflecting on the odds. Its islamic extremists who are spreading fear and hate. Who hijacked your religion? See Beslan School Massacre on youtube.
    - smtddr 14y ago
      The problem with this kind of thinking is that you put the blame squarely on religion. It shows a lack of consideration of what the _core_ cause is. Why do they not like America? Did they just wake up one day and said "Okay, let's blow 'em up". Some group of people got angry at America[1], then fooled a bunch of religious people to believe following them is doing their deity's wishes. Instead of just saying, "See! Islam is bad!" you should look to the root of the issue. Same problem with just going around saying "black people steal". When you state it like that, you make it sound like it's the skin color that causes stealing; it lacks the full consideration of history and what happened with this group of people and the current social-economics that is not balanced. Whatever you think the reason is, I can tell you that the color of your skin doesn't make you good or bad. Just like being religious doesn't make you good or bad. 1. And let me tell you, these folks have reason to be mad at USA. While I understand blowing up people is never a reasonable reaction, religion is not the origin of the problem. EDIT: And I see your youtube vid link, it's the same issue. Religion is the not the cause, it is exploited by people who want power.

gokhan 14y ago

Btw, Reddit folks should raise money to help Sunil's family finding their son. They owe it to the family, since they badly broke hearts on that front.

randallsquared 14y ago
Perhaps they could split the money, and half of it could help Sunil hide from his family more effectively? :/

largesse 14y ago

I'm ashamed to say it, but I can live with the threat of terrorism. Statistically, is nearly insignificant next to all of the other risks in our lives. What makes my blood boil is the overreaction, fear, and fear-mongering that goes along with it. Add in the incessant calls for more intrusive security measures and I feel like we are living in an nightmare.

largesse 14y ago

I'm ashamed to say it, but I can live with the threat of terrorism. Statistically, is nearly insignificant next to all of the other risks in our lives. What makes my blood boil is the overreaction, fear, and fear-mongering that goes along with it. Add in the witch hunts and the incessant calls for more intrusive security measures and I feel like we are living in a nightmare.

kbart 14y ago

Totally agree that HN should not be a place for local news. I come here for interesting _technical_ stories, topics and discussions and I would go to cnn.com, nytimes.com etc. if I'm interested in USA news instead.

withoutthis 14y ago

The human centipede goes 4chan>reddit>media>hn

b6 14y ago

I basically agree with OP, but this incident really made me wish there was a better framework for collaboration between LE and amateurs. For example, it would have been great if the FBI had put up a site with instructions like "use this form to upload better pictures of this person". Because seemingly within minutes of the FBI releasing really bad photos, Reddit had found much better photos, knew their exact hats, etc. But the communication between the two was incredibly haphazard.

DanBC 14y ago

Strongly agree. In fact, I'd go further. Almost all the threads about the bombs are pretty much content-free. There's very little of interest to hackers. Even the stuff that could have been interesting ("How do you examine very many photographs and video clips for clues?") was left ignored. I flagged a lot of threads. There's been some suggestions that flagging a popular thread works against the person flagging. That's a shame if it's true, because some threads just don't belong here even if they are popular.

k__ 14y ago

I thought, this is how Reddit works...

CarlosT 14y ago

Everybody hates a witch hunt until they see a witch. "Witch!"