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They're not so much throwing IE under the bus as throwing developers under the bus that have fortune-500 clients that can only use IE. Some nerd (me) whining ab

by stef25 14y ago

They're not so much throwing IE under the bus as throwing developers under the bus that have fortune-500 clients that can only use IE. Some nerd (me) whining about their browser choice is really not going to make their IT director change policies. Granted, I can and will keep using 1.9

nbouscal 14y ago
Whining about browser choice is never going to accomplish anything. You're speaking the wrong language. Speaking the right language would go something like: “I can increase revenues while decreasing long-term maintenance costs, and I can do it at the current expense level. The only way I can do this for you is if we use this technology.” The person you're pitching couldn't possibly care less about IE/Chrome/Firefox, but they certainly care very much about business metrics.
film42 14y ago
I think it will. Especially when you can say, "If we can drop IE 6/7/8 support, development costs will go down significantly." Remember, it's not just JS compatibility, think about all the CSS hacks you need to do to get your design just so. HTML 5 is another issue (I'm talking tag support). Requiring flash versions of your custom skinned player. There are so many factors we need to attach to old browsers, that it just makes sense to move forward. Maybe not right this second, but soon. And I think this is a great place to start.
- democracy 14y ago
  Why do you have to "drop IE support"? How about degrading your design?
josteink 14y ago
Make that Fortune 500s which when jQuery 2.0 is released next year needs to be running a OS which is EOLed by Microsoft with no support or security patches to be affected. IOW: Cry me a river. People made these exact arguments that people "require XP and MSIE8" and that they "can't upgrade" years ago, when Vista was released, then when Windows 7 was released and now with Windows 8's release. Here's news for you: You've had 2 or 3 advance warnings from Microsoft that your IT platform will be obsoleted and unsupported and 2 non-ordinary support-extensions. You've had more than half a decade to plan and execute the migration. If you haven't completed that migration yet and are still whining, you are incompetent as an IT manager. There is no other way to describe this. If you are still running XP, that is because of incompetence. No excuses. XP is older than the very first release of Ubuntu. Microsoft has supported XP for longer than Ubuntu's entire existance. As a basis for comparison any version of Ubuntu is supported for 2 years and that's it. XP has been around for 12 years now, and will be supported for yet another year before support is finally dropped. Sometimes enough is enough. This is a good move by jQuery to streamline their code-base. Sometimes you need to do the spring-cleaning if you want your code to be manageable and have any chance of effectively improving your product, and this is just that spring-cleaning.
- democracy 14y ago
  You do realize that jQuery is not going to change any of that?

by stef25 14y ago

nbouscal 14y ago

Whining about browser choice is never going to accomplish anything. You're speaking the wrong language. Speaking the right language would go something like: “I can increase revenues while decreasing long-term maintenance costs, and I can do it at the current expense level. The only way I can do this for you is if we use this technology.” The person you're pitching couldn't possibly care less about IE/Chrome/Firefox, but they certainly care very much about business metrics.

film42 14y ago

I think it will. Especially when you can say, "If we can drop IE 6/7/8 support, development costs will go down significantly." Remember, it's not just JS compatibility, think about all the CSS hacks you need to do to get your design just so. HTML 5 is another issue (I'm talking tag support). Requiring flash versions of your custom skinned player. There are so many factors we need to attach to old browsers, that it just makes sense to move forward. Maybe not right this second, but soon. And I think this is a great place to start.

democracy 14y ago
Why do you have to "drop IE support"? How about degrading your design?

josteink 14y ago

Make that Fortune 500s which when jQuery 2.0 is released next year needs to be running a OS which is EOLed by Microsoft with no support or security patches to be affected. IOW: Cry me a river. People made these exact arguments that people "require XP and MSIE8" and that they "can't upgrade" years ago, when Vista was released, then when Windows 7 was released and now with Windows 8's release. Here's news for you: You've had 2 or 3 advance warnings from Microsoft that your IT platform will be obsoleted and unsupported and 2 non-ordinary support-extensions. You've had more than half a decade to plan and execute the migration. If you haven't completed that migration yet and are still whining, you are incompetent as an IT manager. There is no other way to describe this. If you are still running XP, that is because of incompetence. No excuses. XP is older than the very first release of Ubuntu. Microsoft has supported XP for longer than Ubuntu's entire existance. As a basis for comparison any version of Ubuntu is supported for 2 years and that's it. XP has been around for 12 years now, and will be supported for yet another year before support is finally dropped. Sometimes enough is enough. This is a good move by jQuery to streamline their code-base. Sometimes you need to do the spring-cleaning if you want your code to be manageable and have any chance of effectively improving your product, and this is just that spring-cleaning.

democracy 14y ago
You do realize that jQuery is not going to change any of that?