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I like your thinking! I have a few ideas. First and foremost I think the internet needs to focus on one issue at a time. Once you divide the activists the wh

I like your thinking! I have a few ideas. First and foremost I think the internet needs to focus on one issue at a time. Once you divide the activists the whole message gets blurred and no one cares. (Case in point, look at occupy wall street, what exactly did the protesters want??) Point two, it can't involve petitions, those are stupid and counter-productive. Point Three, activists like to be involved. Have a way for people to earn points contacting their representatives or helping the site in other ways and perhaps be able to use those points to vote on what issue to tackle next, or the actions presented for an issue? Really I'm picturing something like a cross between reddit and stack overflow geared towards political action. Power users can vote on issues, have meta discussions in the background, but normal users just see the one issue that's going on at the moment with a simple interface that explains the issue and has 1-3 meaningful actions they can take. My thoughts for the 3 actions could be: Call your representative, Request a pre-addressed envelope be mailed to you so you can write a letter in your own words, or donate money to pay for mailing the pre-addressed letters to people.

sinak 14y ago
I agree with a lot of these points. I think it's tricky to focus on one thing at a time though, as that's not how things happen in the real world, and people are interested in different things - so keep active communities going around issue seems the best way forward to me. Regarding the points system - I agree on that. Gamification might be a good way to keep people engaged. And regarding actions, I'm working on that already. The pre-adressed envelope might be achievable in different ways too (type a letter, and we'll print and email it). My first step is going to be to set up a http://discourse.org http://discourse.org site for us to discuss. I do like the reddit model too, though it perhaps promotes sensationalism over actual content. That being said, it does seem to work quite well.
jlev 14y ago
Glad to see the HN community getting excited about this issue. In my professional capacity as the resident technologist at an activist-y non-profit, I have a few things to note: 1) Single issue organizations are quick to grow but hard to sustain. Once the first fight is over, how do you take your list and pivot to a new issue? People lose interest quickly unless there's a hook to keep them involved. 2) Petitions may seem silly, and many of them are, but some have actually had big successes. These are due more to the strategy behind them than the actual numbers; you have to find the right leverage point in the political process to make the numbers matter. They are also useful as signals to organizers that people are interested in an issue, even if they won't be successfully delivered. 3) Gamification in this space is hard. You're one step away from the "slacktivism" critique, and sliding ever closer with each point or badge you give out. For some examples of this being done well, see http://repurpose.workersvoice.org/ http://repurpose.workersvoice.org/ For the "3 actions you must take", the handwritten letter is probably the most impactful. Staffers tend to weight online signatures, phone calls, letters, and in person visits by increasing orders of magnitude of importance. Getting 100,000 signatures is now "worth" less than 1,000 letters, particularly as petition numbers continually increase.
- cpeterso 14y ago
  > 1) Single issue organizations are quick to grow but hard to sustain. Once the first fight is over, how do you take your list and pivot to a new issue? People lose interest quickly unless there's a hook to keep them involved. Instead of working to sustain single-issue organizations, a better strategy might be to reduce the friction to creating successful, short-term organizations in the first place. Something like an activist flash mob.

sinak 14y ago

I agree with a lot of these points. I think it's tricky to focus on one thing at a time though, as that's not how things happen in the real world, and people are interested in different things - so keep active communities going around issue seems the best way forward to me. Regarding the points system - I agree on that. Gamification might be a good way to keep people engaged. And regarding actions, I'm working on that already. The pre-adressed envelope might be achievable in different ways too (type a letter, and we'll print and email it). My first step is going to be to set up a http://discourse.org http://discourse.org site for us to discuss. I do like the reddit model too, though it perhaps promotes sensationalism over actual content. That being said, it does seem to work quite well.

jlev 14y ago

Glad to see the HN community getting excited about this issue. In my professional capacity as the resident technologist at an activist-y non-profit, I have a few things to note: 1) Single issue organizations are quick to grow but hard to sustain. Once the first fight is over, how do you take your list and pivot to a new issue? People lose interest quickly unless there's a hook to keep them involved. 2) Petitions may seem silly, and many of them are, but some have actually had big successes. These are due more to the strategy behind them than the actual numbers; you have to find the right leverage point in the political process to make the numbers matter. They are also useful as signals to organizers that people are interested in an issue, even if they won't be successfully delivered. 3) Gamification in this space is hard. You're one step away from the "slacktivism" critique, and sliding ever closer with each point or badge you give out. For some examples of this being done well, see http://repurpose.workersvoice.org/ http://repurpose.workersvoice.org/ For the "3 actions you must take", the handwritten letter is probably the most impactful. Staffers tend to weight online signatures, phone calls, letters, and in person visits by increasing orders of magnitude of importance. Getting 100,000 signatures is now "worth" less than 1,000 letters, particularly as petition numbers continually increase.

cpeterso 14y ago
> 1) Single issue organizations are quick to grow but hard to sustain. Once the first fight is over, how do you take your list and pivot to a new issue? People lose interest quickly unless there's a hook to keep them involved. Instead of working to sustain single-issue organizations, a better strategy might be to reduce the friction to creating successful, short-term organizations in the first place. Something like an activist flash mob.