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> Re 2) "When you take the exact same strain of a plant and grow it in two different ways, its chemical and genetic makeup remain the same. whoosh Wow, they s

• eridius 14y ago
  > Ever tasted two "identical" apples? One organic, and one not? They don't taste anything like the same. Yeah, according to a Bullshi*t! (e.g. the Penn & Teller show) science experiment, the conventionally-grown fruit was often declared better-tasting by tasters who didn't know which was which. Obviously this is wildly unscientific, but the point is still valid.
  • dagw 14y ago
    As much as I love both Penn & Teller and Bullshit I don't think any of the so called 'experiments' they do deserve the prefix 'science' or have any validity. Their goal is to provide entertaining polemics, not to do any sort of hypothesis testing or to put forward anything that might challenge their preconceived notion.
    • Scaevolus 14y ago
      Particularly bad was their episode where they claimed that it's impossible to lose weight.
      • eridius 14y ago
        What episode was that? I watched every single episode they aired, and I don't remember any of them claiming that it was impossible to lose weight.
        • Scaevolus 14y ago
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYvc9F838E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCYvc9F838E
          • eridius 14y ago
            I think you're grossly misrepresenting what they said. They didn't say you can't lose weight. They said that genetics dictates your general body shape, and that you're never going to end up looking like Adonis no matter how much you work out. You can certainly lose weight, get yourself healthier, and look better. But, as they said at the end of the video, you're probably not going to end up looking quite as good as you'd hoped, and it won't happen as fast as you hoped.
    • eridius 14y ago
      Of course. I called it a "Bullsh*t! science experiment" because that's what they called it. The word "bullshit" was part of the name, which hopefully gives a clue that it's not actually scientific.
  • dizzystar 14y ago
    Here's the video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs They upped the ante a bit later on. The talk above proves the most valid points, though. There is way more to farming good produce than plastering simple labels on something.
  • raverbashing 14y ago
    They are only missing how the genes turn into a plant: by absorbing nutrients from the soil (minerals - and also other substances) So, wrong ph - fruits may taste different/have a different composition Not enough minerals, excess - same things Interfering substances (contaminants) - same thing This is gardening 101, you are going to have different results because of the soil
  • lurkinggrue 14y ago
    Bullshit isn't always accurate and they also have their own biases they push in the show.
• dagw 14y ago
  Ever tasted two "identical" apples? One organic, and one not? They don't taste anything like the same. That has more to do with the exact sub-strain used, when they where picked and how they where grown rather than simply organic vs non-organic. If organic tastes better it because the organic farmers is catering to a market that is willing to pay a higher price for a better product and thus willing to use more costly methods for growing his apples. It certainly possible to grow shit organic apples and amazing non-organic apples, the fact the few people do have more to do with surrounding market forces.
  • jrabone 14y ago
    Also how they're ripened (I believe you can change the colour of the tomato skin without allowing it to ripen), and that our sense of taste is strongly linked to our sense of smell - once you've coated a lemon in wax, it stops smelling like a lemon.
• icebraining 14y ago
  Have you ever tasted two identical apples? Both organic? They often don't taste anything like the same.