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That is an amazing list. They seem to be on top there together with Ryanair and european banks.

by hmottestad 14y ago

hkmurakami 14y ago
Samsung's antics are hardly contained to smartphones & tablets either.
- ujjwal_wadhawan 14y ago
  It reminded me of a project we did by analysing the reviews using basic NLP techniques. http://goo.gl/TqhfL http://goo.gl/TqhfL
  - hkmurakami 14y ago
    Oh I had meant that their IP theft isn't limited to mobile devices, but you have a very good point with their reviews in general. (with their oncoming push into notebook computers, I expect similar fraudulent reviews in that area as well)
- phreanix 14y ago
  "Ethics" in Asia are not the same as the rest of the industrialized world. While I can't speak for Korean ethics, I've had dealings in other Asian countries where business ethics are really more like guidelines, elastic ones at that. I wouldn't be surprised if the execs who sanctioned this behavior on Samsung's part don't even understand that it was wrong.
  - lostlogin 14y ago
    I don't accept this - everyone surely knows its wrong, however its a matter of how wrong. Is it seen to be wrong like driving 5kmh over the speed limit is?
    - anoopelias 14y ago
      Its only a matter of getting used to. If you have been doing this, and you think your competitors are also doing it, after some time, you will (conveniently) forget that it was wrong to begin with.
  - wisty 14y ago
    Right ... and US companies are always ethical, and have always been that way? Or US companies have simply been burt so many times that they know not to play loose with the truth. It's probably worth noting that Korea "chaebol" (conglomerates) can be a little odd. They have a lot of power over the local government and media, so they end up thinking they are invincible. They are sometimes said to be very shady, at times.
    - phreanix 14y ago
      Exactly. While the US of course (as mentioned below) have corporations that exert influence over government, overstep the law, etc., it is generally NOT tolerated by the general public. That's where it's different in Asia, where such behavior is business as usual.
  - SeanDav 14y ago
    Big Tobacco in the USA is of course a shining example of the West's greater moral values /sarcasm
    - jacquesm 14y ago
      Microsoft Monsanto Exxon and so on...
      - phreanix 14y ago
        Of course it happens in the US. I think that's covered enough here and elsewhere. But i believe the basic ideal of ethics is a cultural one. Consider that certain cultures in Asia, China for example, have been doing things a certain way thousands of years, and some of those ways are repulsive to the average American.
sinnerswing 14y ago
Forgot to add this: "Tax evasion, bribery and price-fixing: How Samsung became the giant that ate Korea" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tax-evasion-bribery-and-pricefixing-how-samsung-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tax-evasion-bri... "Samsung's rocky legal past paints a picture of scandal and corruption" http://www.theverge.com/policy/2012/8/7/3226651/samsung-legal-history-scandals http://www.theverge.com/policy/2012/8/7/3226651/samsung-lega... "Samsung Bribery Probe Points to Pattern of Graft in South Korea" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aH3aDwXXnvqc http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a...

That is an amazing list. They seem to be on top there together with Ryanair and european banks.

hkmurakami 14y ago

Samsung's antics are hardly contained to smartphones & tablets either.

ujjwal_wadhawan 14y ago
It reminded me of a project we did by analysing the reviews using basic NLP techniques. http://goo.gl/TqhfL http://goo.gl/TqhfL
- hkmurakami 14y ago
  Oh I had meant that their IP theft isn't limited to mobile devices, but you have a very good point with their reviews in general. (with their oncoming push into notebook computers, I expect similar fraudulent reviews in that area as well)
phreanix 14y ago
"Ethics" in Asia are not the same as the rest of the industrialized world. While I can't speak for Korean ethics, I've had dealings in other Asian countries where business ethics are really more like guidelines, elastic ones at that. I wouldn't be surprised if the execs who sanctioned this behavior on Samsung's part don't even understand that it was wrong.
- lostlogin 14y ago
  I don't accept this - everyone surely knows its wrong, however its a matter of how wrong. Is it seen to be wrong like driving 5kmh over the speed limit is?
  - anoopelias 14y ago
    Its only a matter of getting used to. If you have been doing this, and you think your competitors are also doing it, after some time, you will (conveniently) forget that it was wrong to begin with.
- wisty 14y ago
  Right ... and US companies are always ethical, and have always been that way? Or US companies have simply been burt so many times that they know not to play loose with the truth. It's probably worth noting that Korea "chaebol" (conglomerates) can be a little odd. They have a lot of power over the local government and media, so they end up thinking they are invincible. They are sometimes said to be very shady, at times.
  - phreanix 14y ago
    Exactly. While the US of course (as mentioned below) have corporations that exert influence over government, overstep the law, etc., it is generally NOT tolerated by the general public. That's where it's different in Asia, where such behavior is business as usual.
- SeanDav 14y ago
  Big Tobacco in the USA is of course a shining example of the West's greater moral values /sarcasm
  - jacquesm 14y ago
    Microsoft Monsanto Exxon and so on...
    - phreanix 14y ago
      Of course it happens in the US. I think that's covered enough here and elsewhere. But i believe the basic ideal of ethics is a cultural one. Consider that certain cultures in Asia, China for example, have been doing things a certain way thousands of years, and some of those ways are repulsive to the average American.

sinnerswing 14y ago

Forgot to add this: "Tax evasion, bribery and price-fixing: How Samsung became the giant that ate Korea" http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tax-evasion-bribery-and-pricefixing-how-samsung-became-the-giant-that-ate-korea-8510588.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/tax-evasion-bri... "Samsung's rocky legal past paints a picture of scandal and corruption" http://www.theverge.com/policy/2012/8/7/3226651/samsung-legal-history-scandals http://www.theverge.com/policy/2012/8/7/3226651/samsung-lega... "Samsung Bribery Probe Points to Pattern of Graft in South Korea" http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aH3aDwXXnvqc http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a...