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Imagine the furore if Apple was caught doing this.

by msy 13y ago

alyx 13y ago
Or Microsoft, Google, etc
rocky1138 13y ago
Companies who are leaders in their industry do not usually need to do this. I've heard of it happening at smaller organizations or sole proprietorships (small business), but it is strange to see from a company as large as Samsung. What's important is how high up the chain this was sanctioned by. If it's a lowly manager somewhere, he/she will just get fired and this will all blow over. If it's right at the top, it's much more embarrassing.
- hkmurakami 13y ago
  Samsung's IP theft issues would lead me to believe that their credo is "whatever it takes to win" and this kind of behavior isn't out of line with their track record.
  - kostya-kow 13y ago
    >Samsung's IP theft issues You mean the time when Apple tried to patent "0-length-swipe" and a shape of a box?
    - threeseed 13y ago
      No I don't. You know why ? Because it never happened.
      - shapeofabox 13y ago
        I think he meant to say "rounded rectangle" not box.
    - lostlogin 13y ago
      Yes, because Apple did something bad its ok for Samsung to. What? It's a good thing most people and companies don't work like that.
  - sinnerswing 13y ago
    Why am I not surprised. Samsung has a history of imo unethical and questionable business practices. Samsung Inflates Galaxy Tab Sales, Gets Busted http://modmyi.com/content/360-samsung-inflates-galaxy-tab-sales-gets-busted-comments2.html http://modmyi.com/content/360-samsung-inflates-galaxy-tab-sa... Quite smooth: Samsung actually sold 1/10 of the 2 million Galaxy Tabs it claimed in 2010 http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151854/quite-smooth-samsung-actually-sold-1-10-of-the-2-million-galaxy-tabs-it-claimed-in-2010 http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151854/quite-smooth-samsung... Looks Like Samsung Pretty Much Lied About US Sales To The Public http://www.macgasm.net/2012/08/10/looks-like-samsung-pretty-much-lied-about-us-sales-to-the-public/ http://www.macgasm.net/2012/08/10/looks-like-samsung-pretty-... Samsung Hires 'Actors' To Pretend To Be Happy Galaxy Tab Testers? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110325/12360313633/samsung-hires-actors-to-pretend-to-be-happy-galaxy-tab-testers.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110325/12360313633/samsun... Samsung caught presenting actors as Galaxy Tab "consumers," fudging thinnest tablet claims http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/25/samsung_caught_presenting_actors_as_galaxy_tab_consumers_fudging_thinnest_tablet_claims http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/25/samsung_caught_pre... Here’s how Samsung flew bloggers halfway around the world, then threatened to leave them there. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/02/heres-samsung-flew-bloggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/?utm_campaign=social%20media&awesm=tnw.to_a4CW&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Spreadus http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/02/heres-samsung-flew-... Samsung Caught Fudging Testimonials, and Lying about Galaxy Tab’s Thickness http://techie-buzz.com/gadgets-news/samsung-galaxy-tab-fake-testimonial-thickness.html http://techie-buzz.com/gadgets-news/samsung-galaxy-tab-fake-...
    - hmottestad 13y ago
      That is an amazing list. They seem to be on top there together with Ryanair and european banks.
      - hkmurakami 13y ago
        Samsung's antics are hardly contained to smartphones & tablets either.
  - josteink 13y ago
    > Samsung's IP theft issues While this is definitely super-scummy and nasty behaviour from Samsung, it's hard to take any comment seriously when it uses such a flawed new-speak phrase like "IP theft". Even more so when it tries to gain substance by referring to Samsung as the bad guy when "violating" (or "stealing" lol) Apple's rounded rectangle patents. Apple has their bullshit software patents constantly invalidated everywhere in the world except the US. Good thing Samsung footed the legal bill to make that happen.
- randallu 13y ago
  Maybe they'll even send the top guy to jail (but later release him to run the olympics...)
- neya 13y ago
  Dude, I don't see why you need to defend Apple so seriously and in all probability, they are no different and just because they haven't got caught yet, doesn't mean you can't rule out the possibility that they aren't into this. As an example, during the Apple vs Samsung patent wars (after Samsung lost), a handful of publications were writing in support of Apple even when most of them knew that Apple was abusing the patent system to its core. Most of them looked very much like they were paid by Apple to write it. Some even went as far as saying the win for Apple is good for innovation (which obviously it is not)[1]. Another example is once an author from Techcrunch even admitted to getting compensated monetarily by Apple to write a post bashing a competitor. Apple, Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, etc. are no different from each other. So let's not get religious, shall we? [1] http://gizmodo.com/5938193/apple-winning-the-patent-wars-is-great-for-innovation http://gizmodo.com/5938193/apple-winning-the-patent-wars-is-...
  - rocky1138 13y ago
    I'm not defending Apple. I'm not a huge fan of their stuff. But, they are their market's leader and the parent post mentioned the outrage that one might see if Apple did the same as Samsung in this case.
  - Steko 13y ago
    Brave new levels of false equivalence achieved here. One guy was caught but let's not criticize him because everyone not caught could have done the same thing!
  - Samuel_Michon 13y ago
    Gizmodo bought a stolen iPhone 4 prototype, blackmailed Apple over it, and published photos of the phone. Since then, they haven't been invited to Apple's press events. Given the history, it's silly to suggest Gizmodo is being paid by Apple to write positive stories about them. I doubt Apple would even pick up the phone if Gizmodo called them.
kostya-kow 13y ago
Not on HN, because it is full of Apple fanboys.
- RexRollman 13y ago
  Well, at least you are objective.
- deleted 13y ago
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- CountSessine 13y ago
  You lost me at 'fanboys'.
  - fuzzix 13y ago
    That's handy, because that was the last word of his post.
- Steko 13y ago
  Completely wrong. I challenge HN mods to reveal which articles are voting ring flagpedo'd religiously on this site.
shapeofabox 13y ago
mrpogson.com/2012/08/21/apples-paid-shillconsultant-caught-out/
- _Simon 13y ago
  Not really the same thing. That you created an account just to say that makes me wonder if you are in fact a 'shill' yourself.
benihana 13y ago
But they weren't. Samsung was.
jonknee 13y ago
There's no need, they have John Gruber.

Imagine the furore if Apple was caught doing this.

by msy 13y ago

Imagine the furore if Apple was caught doing this.

alyx 13y ago

Or Microsoft, Google, etc

rocky1138 13y ago

Companies who are leaders in their industry do not usually need to do this. I've heard of it happening at smaller organizations or sole proprietorships (small business), but it is strange to see from a company as large as Samsung. What's important is how high up the chain this was sanctioned by. If it's a lowly manager somewhere, he/she will just get fired and this will all blow over. If it's right at the top, it's much more embarrassing.

hkmurakami 13y ago
Samsung's IP theft issues would lead me to believe that their credo is "whatever it takes to win" and this kind of behavior isn't out of line with their track record.
- kostya-kow 13y ago
  >Samsung's IP theft issues You mean the time when Apple tried to patent "0-length-swipe" and a shape of a box?
  - threeseed 13y ago
    No I don't. You know why ? Because it never happened.
    - shapeofabox 13y ago
      I think he meant to say "rounded rectangle" not box.
  - lostlogin 13y ago
    Yes, because Apple did something bad its ok for Samsung to. What? It's a good thing most people and companies don't work like that.
- sinnerswing 13y ago
  Why am I not surprised. Samsung has a history of imo unethical and questionable business practices. Samsung Inflates Galaxy Tab Sales, Gets Busted http://modmyi.com/content/360-samsung-inflates-galaxy-tab-sales-gets-busted-comments2.html http://modmyi.com/content/360-samsung-inflates-galaxy-tab-sa... Quite smooth: Samsung actually sold 1/10 of the 2 million Galaxy Tabs it claimed in 2010 http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151854/quite-smooth-samsung-actually-sold-1-10-of-the-2-million-galaxy-tabs-it-claimed-in-2010 http://forums.appleinsider.com/t/151854/quite-smooth-samsung... Looks Like Samsung Pretty Much Lied About US Sales To The Public http://www.macgasm.net/2012/08/10/looks-like-samsung-pretty-much-lied-about-us-sales-to-the-public/ http://www.macgasm.net/2012/08/10/looks-like-samsung-pretty-... Samsung Hires 'Actors' To Pretend To Be Happy Galaxy Tab Testers? http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110325/12360313633/samsung-hires-actors-to-pretend-to-be-happy-galaxy-tab-testers.shtml http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110325/12360313633/samsun... Samsung caught presenting actors as Galaxy Tab "consumers," fudging thinnest tablet claims http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/25/samsung_caught_presenting_actors_as_galaxy_tab_consumers_fudging_thinnest_tablet_claims http://appleinsider.com/articles/11/03/25/samsung_caught_pre... Here’s how Samsung flew bloggers halfway around the world, then threatened to leave them there. http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/02/heres-samsung-flew-bloggers-halfway-around-world-threatened-leave/?utm_campaign=social%20media&awesm=tnw.to_a4CW&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Spreadus http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/09/02/heres-samsung-flew-... Samsung Caught Fudging Testimonials, and Lying about Galaxy Tab’s Thickness http://techie-buzz.com/gadgets-news/samsung-galaxy-tab-fake-testimonial-thickness.html http://techie-buzz.com/gadgets-news/samsung-galaxy-tab-fake-...
  - hmottestad 13y ago
    That is an amazing list. They seem to be on top there together with Ryanair and european banks.
    - hkmurakami 13y ago
      Samsung's antics are hardly contained to smartphones & tablets either.
- josteink 13y ago
  > Samsung's IP theft issues While this is definitely super-scummy and nasty behaviour from Samsung, it's hard to take any comment seriously when it uses such a flawed new-speak phrase like "IP theft". Even more so when it tries to gain substance by referring to Samsung as the bad guy when "violating" (or "stealing" lol) Apple's rounded rectangle patents. Apple has their bullshit software patents constantly invalidated everywhere in the world except the US. Good thing Samsung footed the legal bill to make that happen.
randallu 13y ago
Maybe they'll even send the top guy to jail (but later release him to run the olympics...)
neya 13y ago
Dude, I don't see why you need to defend Apple so seriously and in all probability, they are no different and just because they haven't got caught yet, doesn't mean you can't rule out the possibility that they aren't into this. As an example, during the Apple vs Samsung patent wars (after Samsung lost), a handful of publications were writing in support of Apple even when most of them knew that Apple was abusing the patent system to its core. Most of them looked very much like they were paid by Apple to write it. Some even went as far as saying the win for Apple is good for innovation (which obviously it is not)[1]. Another example is once an author from Techcrunch even admitted to getting compensated monetarily by Apple to write a post bashing a competitor. Apple, Samsung, LG, Sony, Panasonic, etc. are no different from each other. So let's not get religious, shall we? [1] http://gizmodo.com/5938193/apple-winning-the-patent-wars-is-great-for-innovation http://gizmodo.com/5938193/apple-winning-the-patent-wars-is-...
- rocky1138 13y ago
  I'm not defending Apple. I'm not a huge fan of their stuff. But, they are their market's leader and the parent post mentioned the outrage that one might see if Apple did the same as Samsung in this case.
- Steko 13y ago
  Brave new levels of false equivalence achieved here. One guy was caught but let's not criticize him because everyone not caught could have done the same thing!
- Samuel_Michon 13y ago
  Gizmodo bought a stolen iPhone 4 prototype, blackmailed Apple over it, and published photos of the phone. Since then, they haven't been invited to Apple's press events. Given the history, it's silly to suggest Gizmodo is being paid by Apple to write positive stories about them. I doubt Apple would even pick up the phone if Gizmodo called them.

kostya-kow 13y ago

Not on HN, because it is full of Apple fanboys.

RexRollman 13y ago
Well, at least you are objective.
deleted 13y ago
[deleted]
CountSessine 13y ago
You lost me at 'fanboys'.
- fuzzix 13y ago
  That's handy, because that was the last word of his post.
Steko 13y ago
Completely wrong. I challenge HN mods to reveal which articles are voting ring flagpedo'd religiously on this site.

shapeofabox 13y ago

mrpogson.com/2012/08/21/apples-paid-shillconsultant-caught-out/

_Simon 13y ago
Not really the same thing. That you created an account just to say that makes me wonder if you are in fact a 'shill' yourself.

benihana 13y ago

But they weren't. Samsung was.

jonknee 13y ago

There's no need, they have John Gruber.