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Why would they put up with being screamed at? Is the glamor of working at Apple worth it?

• outside1234 14y ago
  They don't -- not in this economy and this point in the hiring cycle.
• hnriot 14y ago
  Being screamed at isn't so bad. Lets say you are working on the moon landing in 1968, it's a year to go and the management are screaming at you to fix the floating point processor so they can actually hit the right spot on the surface. Would you just go work for TI on a new calculator or just get on with it? Personally, I'm not bothered by things like passionate management. I'm happy enough when they understand what I'm doing well enough to care about screaming.
  • NegativeK 14y ago
    > Personally, I'm not bothered by things like passionate management. I've had "passionate management" before. For me, I've realized that that translates to "I'm not going to be comfortable pointing out that you're demonstrably wrong when you're all passionate in my face." It's not a leadership style I like at all. I very much realize that this may be on me, which is why I qualified my translation.
  • outside1234 14y ago
    If they understand the, and they are right, and they are thinking about the company's best long term interests, then why do they need to scream?
  • ibotty 14y ago
    so you think apple is doing something comparable to the moon landing? i don't think so.
• jshen 14y ago
  The answer to your question seems obvious, but only superficially. I've worked at a lot of tech companies of various sizes, and I've never been yelled at. I'm sure I'd rather be at a place where I did get yelled out every once and a while if we were creating great products compared to some of the rudderless places I've been where no one believed we were creating anything worthwhile. But I did leave the rudderless companies, but it's rather hard to determine if the place you are interviewing will be fulfilling and successful before wasting a year or so there. So if I were at a place where I was yelled at, yet they were creating highly successful products, I might just put up with the yelling. Maybe I have a high tolerance, I was in the Army and did go through bootcamp, or maybe success makes a lot of things more bearable and the alternative isn't that attractive.
  • kenjackson 14y ago
    IMO being yelled to create someone else's vision and being paid relatively poorly seems like a poor tradeoff. In tech it is actually common, imho, to have respectful and well-paying work environments. And there's a lot of good product to work on, even if they don't have the cult following.
    • jshen 14y ago
      I'm sure the stock options at apple are far from the label "paid relatively poorly". "And there's a lot of good product to work on" It's hard to tell from the outside if the place you are going is a well functioning organization that will satisfy a long term career.
• ryguytilidie 14y ago
  Stock price went from like 75 to 700 in like 4 years so yeah, for most of them, the screaming was worth it. My old roommate went from kid from poor family with debt who would have never considered owning a home to paying cash for a home. He was pretty unhappy but I imagine this kind of makes up for it.