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Apple Employees Are Sending Out Resumes Like Never Before

34 points by rainmaker23 13y ago

nandemo 13y ago
> Gruber says: "The consensus among the people I’ve spoken to is that this is in no way a "rats leaving a sinking ship" scenario, but rather the inevitable churn of talented people capitalizing on the success of the company." In other words, no news here?
- jacques_chester 13y ago
  Welcome to the magical world of link bait, where "yeah it happens" and two mysterious sources who are probably totally legit, 4rz honestly totes legit are enough for DEATH OF APPLE-NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT headlines to start circulating. If it bleeds, it leads.
pyre 13y ago
| Gruber says: "The consensus among the people I’ve spoken to | is that this is in no way a "rats leaving a sinking ship" | scenario, but rather the inevitable churn of talented | people capitalizing on the success of the company." I guess the issue is whether or not the people that he's spoken to are biased against wanting to believe that the ship is sinking. Also, if this is the 'inevitable churn,' then why is it even worth talking about? Why is Gruber stating that it's, "the single biggest problem that Apple faces?"
- w1ntermute 13y ago
  > I guess the issue is whether or not the people that he's spoken to are biased against wanting to believe that the ship is sinking. And whether Gruber himself is biased against wanting to believe that the ship is sinking.
magicalist 13y ago
"Two Anonymous 'Venture Capitalists' We Talked to Say They've Noticed More Apple Resumes Than They Noticed Earlier" Come back when you have some actual numbers, you terrible, terrible journalist.
- deleted 13y ago
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- absconditus 13y ago
  Business Insider does not practice journalism. It is more like People Magazine for business.
- joonix 13y ago
  I wouldn't mind if Business Insider links were blocked from HN.
  - wglb 13y ago
    Sounds like a good reason to flag the article.
- sfall 13y ago
  Yea, it feels more like when you start noticing the same make of car after you buy one yourself
outside1234 13y ago
It really doesn't surprise me. When I was hiring folks from Apple I was always surprised to learn 1) just how poorly paid rank and file employees are there for a bigco, and 2) how poorly almost all of these stars were treated there. Almost 100% of them talked about being screamed at, jerked around, or otherwise abused in some way or another by management. I think the poor pay and beat down management are coming home to roost.
- geoka9 13y ago
  Why would they put up with being screamed at? Is the glamor of working at Apple worth it?
  - outside1234 13y ago
    They don't -- not in this economy and this point in the hiring cycle.
  - hnriot 13y ago
    Being screamed at isn't so bad. Lets say you are working on the moon landing in 1968, it's a year to go and the management are screaming at you to fix the floating point processor so they can actually hit the right spot on the surface. Would you just go work for TI on a new calculator or just get on with it? Personally, I'm not bothered by things like passionate management. I'm happy enough when they understand what I'm doing well enough to care about screaming.
    - NegativeK 13y ago
      > Personally, I'm not bothered by things like passionate management. I've had "passionate management" before. For me, I've realized that that translates to "I'm not going to be comfortable pointing out that you're demonstrably wrong when you're all passionate in my face." It's not a leadership style I like at all. I very much realize that this may be on me, which is why I qualified my translation.
    - outside1234 13y ago
grbalaffa 13y ago
I can say from personal experience that Apple started losing people the moment they released the App Store but refused to allow employees to participate. They created an incredibly exciting platform for development and then locked their best people out of it. No wonder some of them left. The problem is now magnified because today there is much more uncertainty in regards to Apple's future. Jobs is gone, Forstall is being moved out with no obvious successor, Google/Android is taking the lead, the stock price is stagnating, iOS is losing its edge, PC sales (including Apple's) are slowing ... it looks like it could be the beginning of another "beleaguered" era soon. Who would want to stick around for that?
- danielrakh 13y ago
  That's a fair point. If Apple allowed their employees to publish on the App Store, do you think it would be fair to other developers that the same people working on the technology they use to make Apps have this exclusive insight to the direction and future of the technology?
  - outside1234 13y ago
    You mean like all the developers competing with bundled apps?
  - grbalaffa 13y ago
    That's a valid concern, however departing employees have been telling Apple this is an issue in their exit interviews pretty much since the day the App Store went live. After all this time they should have been able to come up with some level of compromise solution.
sunnybunny 13y ago
Already going the way of Microsoft...
danielrakh 13y ago
This is the type of "journalism" that instills fear into the market to manipulate Apple's stock price.

34 points by rainmaker23 13y ago

> Gruber says: "The consensus among the people I’ve spoken to is that this is in no way a "rats leaving a sinking ship" scenario, but rather the inevitable churn of talented people capitalizing on the success of the company." In other words, no news here?

jacques_chester 13y ago
Welcome to the magical world of link bait, where "yeah it happens" and two mysterious sources who are probably totally legit, 4rz honestly totes legit are enough for DEATH OF APPLE-NETCRAFT CONFIRMS IT headlines to start circulating. If it bleeds, it leads.

pyre 13y ago

| Gruber says: "The consensus among the people I’ve spoken to | is that this is in no way a "rats leaving a sinking ship" | scenario, but rather the inevitable churn of talented | people capitalizing on the success of the company." I guess the issue is whether or not the people that he's spoken to are biased against wanting to believe that the ship is sinking. Also, if this is the 'inevitable churn,' then why is it even worth talking about? Why is Gruber stating that it's, "the single biggest problem that Apple faces?"

w1ntermute 13y ago
> I guess the issue is whether or not the people that he's spoken to are biased against wanting to believe that the ship is sinking. And whether Gruber himself is biased against wanting to believe that the ship is sinking.

magicalist 13y ago

"Two Anonymous 'Venture Capitalists' We Talked to Say They've Noticed More Apple Resumes Than They Noticed Earlier" Come back when you have some actual numbers, you terrible, terrible journalist.

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absconditus 13y ago
Business Insider does not practice journalism. It is more like People Magazine for business.
joonix 13y ago
I wouldn't mind if Business Insider links were blocked from HN.
- wglb 13y ago
  Sounds like a good reason to flag the article.
sfall 13y ago
Yea, it feels more like when you start noticing the same make of car after you buy one yourself

outside1234 13y ago

It really doesn't surprise me. When I was hiring folks from Apple I was always surprised to learn 1) just how poorly paid rank and file employees are there for a bigco, and 2) how poorly almost all of these stars were treated there. Almost 100% of them talked about being screamed at, jerked around, or otherwise abused in some way or another by management. I think the poor pay and beat down management are coming home to roost.

geoka9 13y ago
Why would they put up with being screamed at? Is the glamor of working at Apple worth it?
- outside1234 13y ago
  They don't -- not in this economy and this point in the hiring cycle.
- hnriot 13y ago
  Being screamed at isn't so bad. Lets say you are working on the moon landing in 1968, it's a year to go and the management are screaming at you to fix the floating point processor so they can actually hit the right spot on the surface. Would you just go work for TI on a new calculator or just get on with it? Personally, I'm not bothered by things like passionate management. I'm happy enough when they understand what I'm doing well enough to care about screaming.
  - NegativeK 13y ago
    > Personally, I'm not bothered by things like passionate management. I've had "passionate management" before. For me, I've realized that that translates to "I'm not going to be comfortable pointing out that you're demonstrably wrong when you're all passionate in my face." It's not a leadership style I like at all. I very much realize that this may be on me, which is why I qualified my translation.
  - outside1234 13y ago

grbalaffa 13y ago

I can say from personal experience that Apple started losing people the moment they released the App Store but refused to allow employees to participate. They created an incredibly exciting platform for development and then locked their best people out of it. No wonder some of them left. The problem is now magnified because today there is much more uncertainty in regards to Apple's future. Jobs is gone, Forstall is being moved out with no obvious successor, Google/Android is taking the lead, the stock price is stagnating, iOS is losing its edge, PC sales (including Apple's) are slowing ... it looks like it could be the beginning of another "beleaguered" era soon. Who would want to stick around for that?

danielrakh 13y ago
That's a fair point. If Apple allowed their employees to publish on the App Store, do you think it would be fair to other developers that the same people working on the technology they use to make Apps have this exclusive insight to the direction and future of the technology?
- outside1234 13y ago
  You mean like all the developers competing with bundled apps?
- grbalaffa 13y ago
  That's a valid concern, however departing employees have been telling Apple this is an issue in their exit interviews pretty much since the day the App Store went live. After all this time they should have been able to come up with some level of compromise solution.

sunnybunny 13y ago

Already going the way of Microsoft...

danielrakh 13y ago

This is the type of "journalism" that instills fear into the market to manipulate Apple's stock price.