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Everyone is upset because Digg is stealing SEO juice by jacking the link to your site and making it point to them (and additionally running ads on your site thr

Everyone is upset because Digg is stealing SEO juice by jacking the link to your site and making it point to them (and additionally running ads on your site through the diggbar). I think people are downvoting you because this was clearly explained in the article. e.g. if people on Twitter start linking using digg instead of tinyurl (et. al) the person loses all the SEO juice because while tinyurl does a 301 redirect (search engines don't index the tinyurl but instead index and pass PageRank to the actual URL.) Digg does not.

jrockway 18y ago
I don't understand why they think they're entitled to that in the first place, though. It's how the web has worked, sure, but times change. (This reminds me a lot about how VHS tapes killed the movie industry. Yeah.)
- jrockway 18y ago
  Wow, for a second I thought I was reading HN... but then I realized that Reddit just changed their CSS today. (Downmod me some more. I can lose at most 8 karma points per post, and I have almost 5000 karma. You aren't hurting my feelings, but you are hurting the community by taking a Reddit-like approach to suppressing opinions you don't want to hear. I mean, seriously? I am having trouble making sense of this, as I've never seen it happen before here.)
  - knightinblue 18y ago
    What's really troubling is the fact that you don't see how bad this diggbar truly is. Forget the fact that it steals link love (which in the long run will result in stolen revenue), it changes how my site looks to everyone following through the link. For some odd reason, you seem to think that people should 'not' be getting mad because they aren't 'entitled' to how their site looks to everyone. What? P.S. Please don't spout that ignorant bullshit about firefox doing the same thing. It does NOT. If firefox hid site URLs by giving them all new short URLs like www.firefox.com/d1hyfg, people would dump firefox a lot faster than they're dumping the diggbar.
  - Hexstream 18y ago
    You've singlehandedly made me reconsider the appropriateness of the -8 karma loss limit.
    - jrockway 18y ago
      There's nothing more tragic than someone who disagrees with you. Let's say I lost all my karma. What is the real loss for me anyway?
      - Hexstream 18y ago
        You're gloating about being too cool to care about karma? I'd be perfectly fine with having no limit on negative karma on messages but with a limit on the impact it has on your global karma. So let's say you have 5000 karma and then make a message that gets downmodded to -34, you'd still have 4992 karma left. Best of both worlds. I'm more concerned about the loss of information than anything else. edit: You know things about Reddit and I don't. Good for you, good for me. Please choose another "nemesis". You're really annoying. If you could at least contradict me in constructive ways that would be great.
        jrockway 18y ago
        Best of both worlds. You should really be reading Reddit, not HN.
      - pg 18y ago
        Would you please stop baiting people like this?
- jamiequint 18y ago
  VHS spawned a whole new industry called "Home Entertainment" (almost 3x bigger than box office sales) from which entertainment companies have reaped countless extra billions (www.mpaa.org/USEntertainmentIndustryMarketStats.pdf) Do you realize that you are suggesting that it may be better if you were to search google and the top link went to digg for each search, instead of the content creators' site. At scale if this were to be in effect (which I highly doubt would ever happen) this would undemocratize the web by piping everything through one massive content provider.
- axod 18y ago
  Would you be fine with this scenario? One day, google decides that all links on google result pages no longer go to the destination site, they now go to a google.com page with the destination in a frame. Above the destination frame are some google adverts. You don't seem to have read or understood the issues here and that's why you're getting downmodded.

jrockway 18y ago

I don't understand why they think they're entitled to that in the first place, though. It's how the web has worked, sure, but times change. (This reminds me a lot about how VHS tapes killed the movie industry. Yeah.)

jrockway 18y ago
Wow, for a second I thought I was reading HN... but then I realized that Reddit just changed their CSS today. (Downmod me some more. I can lose at most 8 karma points per post, and I have almost 5000 karma. You aren't hurting my feelings, but you are hurting the community by taking a Reddit-like approach to suppressing opinions you don't want to hear. I mean, seriously? I am having trouble making sense of this, as I've never seen it happen before here.)
- knightinblue 18y ago
  What's really troubling is the fact that you don't see how bad this diggbar truly is. Forget the fact that it steals link love (which in the long run will result in stolen revenue), it changes how my site looks to everyone following through the link. For some odd reason, you seem to think that people should 'not' be getting mad because they aren't 'entitled' to how their site looks to everyone. What? P.S. Please don't spout that ignorant bullshit about firefox doing the same thing. It does NOT. If firefox hid site URLs by giving them all new short URLs like www.firefox.com/d1hyfg, people would dump firefox a lot faster than they're dumping the diggbar.
- Hexstream 18y ago
  You've singlehandedly made me reconsider the appropriateness of the -8 karma loss limit.
  - jrockway 18y ago
    There's nothing more tragic than someone who disagrees with you. Let's say I lost all my karma. What is the real loss for me anyway?
    - Hexstream 18y ago
      You're gloating about being too cool to care about karma? I'd be perfectly fine with having no limit on negative karma on messages but with a limit on the impact it has on your global karma. So let's say you have 5000 karma and then make a message that gets downmodded to -34, you'd still have 4992 karma left. Best of both worlds. I'm more concerned about the loss of information than anything else. edit: You know things about Reddit and I don't. Good for you, good for me. Please choose another "nemesis". You're really annoying. If you could at least contradict me in constructive ways that would be great.
      - jrockway 18y ago
        Best of both worlds. You should really be reading Reddit, not HN.
    - pg 18y ago
      Would you please stop baiting people like this?
jamiequint 18y ago
VHS spawned a whole new industry called "Home Entertainment" (almost 3x bigger than box office sales) from which entertainment companies have reaped countless extra billions (www.mpaa.org/USEntertainmentIndustryMarketStats.pdf) Do you realize that you are suggesting that it may be better if you were to search google and the top link went to digg for each search, instead of the content creators' site. At scale if this were to be in effect (which I highly doubt would ever happen) this would undemocratize the web by piping everything through one massive content provider.
axod 18y ago
Would you be fine with this scenario? One day, google decides that all links on google result pages no longer go to the destination site, they now go to a google.com page with the destination in a frame. Above the destination frame are some google adverts. You don't seem to have read or understood the issues here and that's why you're getting downmodded.