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The emotional peace of mind is the exact thing that FlightCar and Airbnb are creating by encouraging this aspect of sharing. Yeah shit can go wrong with your ca

The emotional peace of mind is the exact thing that FlightCar and Airbnb are creating by encouraging this aspect of sharing. Yeah shit can go wrong with your car--that's with anything sharing-based though. As the saying goes, "Shit happens". But at the end of the day, sharing is a good thing and people are opening up to the aspect of it more and more. Essentially, the idea that you are sharing with others is the peace of mind. Hasn't warmed up with everyone, but it has with some and will continue. As someone else pointed out, I'm sure FlightCar will change their pricing as it gains more traction. For now, the pricing is just a reasonable and simple model. If there's one thing I disagree with from PG's comment, it's his prediction that this could be the economic story of the decade...no, it has the potential to be the economic story of the century. Not FlightCar by itself, but all these companies disrupting different industries through the simple idea of sharing--it's revolutionary and still young.

pg 13y ago
You're right, but I always try to underestimate things. It would be pretty big if ownership turned out to be largely a hack people resorted to before they had the infrastructure to manage sharing properly.
- andrewljohnson 13y ago
  Nailed it... "ownership turned out to be largely a hack people resorted to before they had the infrastructure to manage sharing properly" Ownership is just an idea to align consumption with stewardship. The idea that owning stuff is "right" or "good" is just a cultural phenomenon, and not one shared by all cultures (e.g. Native Americans). I think you could do a lot worse in trying to find a start-up idea than to ask yourself "where is there excess capacity that can be shared." Parking, housing, office space, cooking, people-to-do-tasks, storage space, server space - this is the sharing era.
- rayiner 13y ago
  It's not so much that ownership is a hack, or that sharing will replace ownership, but that as technology improves the transaction costs for trading property rights decreases, allowing "ownership" to be treated in a more fine-grained way than previously possible. You can see a fairly pure instance of this situation in spectrum management (which is a common area used to study property rights because it's easy to deal with theoretically). In 1960, Ronald Coase said we should break off big chunks of spectrum and sell it off for exclusive use, just like we do with land. Transactions in those rights will help achieve efficient allocations of resources, but there is a limit at which transaction costs dominate and optimal allocations aren't reached. If you think of something very coarse-grained like frequencies for broadcast radio, you're likely to get efficient allocations via trading of property rights. If you think of something very fine-grained like allocation of frequencies to a cell phone as it travels through a busy intersection, the idea of doing micro-transactions to yield an optimal allocation becomes intractable in the face of transaction costs. But as you make the transactions cheaper, through technology, it becomes more practical to do micro-transactions. This basic phenomenon is generalizable to pretty much any situation where you have property rights that are coarse-grained out of accounting convenience. If you can make it cheap and easy to break off little chunks of the property right and trade in them, you'll achieve a more optimal allocation of rights. That's pretty much exactly what AirBnB and FlightCar are: not sharing, but ways of breaking off a piece of a coarse property right and trading in those little pieces in a fine-grained way.
- LucasCollecchia 13y ago
  Trends in property law and home ownership in urban areas seem to indicate that as rules and safeguards are developed for sharing more effectively, the rate of sharing increases dramatically. Condominiums, for instance, seem like a crazy type of building if your system of land ownership is feudal, but they're a practical necessity if property value skyrockets and more population housing is needed in a dense area. One of the main shifts in social structure occurred around the 1890s to 1920s, and was largely predicated on the difficulty associated with sharing issues in urban life, and the lack of rules to mediate that type of space sharing. Debates at the time about how to accommodate these issues were rather fierce, but mostly forgotten now. Our current laws regarding nuisance and abuse of rights are both hacks of the property system to make urban life work. Karl Polanyi's Great Transformation is a fantastic book which recounts the shift, if anyone is interested. I'm interested in seeing what types of norms and rules would need to exist in order to fulfill the infrastructure requirement that you mention. Additionally, I wonder if certain areas of the world are already normatively primed for sharing, and whether or not they could become springboards for a more global shift.
mbesto 13y ago
I think the concept is brilliant, but how does it scale out? So, they implement this at major airport and then what? The whole model is predicated on the fact that you know your car is being unused because you are physically incapable of accessing it. So let's think of scenarios - you park your car for the day for work so you rent it out. What happens when there is a emergency, or you need to pop out for a quick errand? What happens when the person returning it shows up late? The reason you buy a car is for the convenience to be able to transport yourself from A to B, at any point that you need to. I just see so few scenarios, except for traveling out of your home location, that could warrant this model scaling out to other scenarios. The number of airports is very static too. Personally, I would much rather see good public transport take off in over congested cities like SFO, NYC, etc. I see a business model like this as fixing the wrong problem. Assuming they reduce all of the liabilities (which is 100x harder to do with mechanical items as opposed to an apartment/house) then I definitely see this taking off. On the flip side, I suspect margins will forever be razor thin in order to be competitive and the growth will halt when no new scenarios beyond airport parking can be found.
- shrig94 13y ago
  We're not looking to leave the airport vertical actually. About half of all rental volume takes place at airports.
- aashaykumar92 13y ago
  The article points out that the airport rental car business is a $10 Billion market...I don't think they need to worry about leaving this scenario (market/vertical) anytime soon nor do I think they need to worry about scaling. Disrupting a $10B market will keep them busy for quite some time before really having to worry about other scenarios (or other verticals).

pg 13y ago

You're right, but I always try to underestimate things. It would be pretty big if ownership turned out to be largely a hack people resorted to before they had the infrastructure to manage sharing properly.

andrewljohnson 13y ago
Nailed it... "ownership turned out to be largely a hack people resorted to before they had the infrastructure to manage sharing properly" Ownership is just an idea to align consumption with stewardship. The idea that owning stuff is "right" or "good" is just a cultural phenomenon, and not one shared by all cultures (e.g. Native Americans). I think you could do a lot worse in trying to find a start-up idea than to ask yourself "where is there excess capacity that can be shared." Parking, housing, office space, cooking, people-to-do-tasks, storage space, server space - this is the sharing era.
rayiner 13y ago
It's not so much that ownership is a hack, or that sharing will replace ownership, but that as technology improves the transaction costs for trading property rights decreases, allowing "ownership" to be treated in a more fine-grained way than previously possible. You can see a fairly pure instance of this situation in spectrum management (which is a common area used to study property rights because it's easy to deal with theoretically). In 1960, Ronald Coase said we should break off big chunks of spectrum and sell it off for exclusive use, just like we do with land. Transactions in those rights will help achieve efficient allocations of resources, but there is a limit at which transaction costs dominate and optimal allocations aren't reached. If you think of something very coarse-grained like frequencies for broadcast radio, you're likely to get efficient allocations via trading of property rights. If you think of something very fine-grained like allocation of frequencies to a cell phone as it travels through a busy intersection, the idea of doing micro-transactions to yield an optimal allocation becomes intractable in the face of transaction costs. But as you make the transactions cheaper, through technology, it becomes more practical to do micro-transactions. This basic phenomenon is generalizable to pretty much any situation where you have property rights that are coarse-grained out of accounting convenience. If you can make it cheap and easy to break off little chunks of the property right and trade in them, you'll achieve a more optimal allocation of rights. That's pretty much exactly what AirBnB and FlightCar are: not sharing, but ways of breaking off a piece of a coarse property right and trading in those little pieces in a fine-grained way.
LucasCollecchia 13y ago
Trends in property law and home ownership in urban areas seem to indicate that as rules and safeguards are developed for sharing more effectively, the rate of sharing increases dramatically. Condominiums, for instance, seem like a crazy type of building if your system of land ownership is feudal, but they're a practical necessity if property value skyrockets and more population housing is needed in a dense area. One of the main shifts in social structure occurred around the 1890s to 1920s, and was largely predicated on the difficulty associated with sharing issues in urban life, and the lack of rules to mediate that type of space sharing. Debates at the time about how to accommodate these issues were rather fierce, but mostly forgotten now. Our current laws regarding nuisance and abuse of rights are both hacks of the property system to make urban life work. Karl Polanyi's Great Transformation is a fantastic book which recounts the shift, if anyone is interested. I'm interested in seeing what types of norms and rules would need to exist in order to fulfill the infrastructure requirement that you mention. Additionally, I wonder if certain areas of the world are already normatively primed for sharing, and whether or not they could become springboards for a more global shift.

mbesto 13y ago

I think the concept is brilliant, but how does it scale out? So, they implement this at major airport and then what? The whole model is predicated on the fact that you know your car is being unused because you are physically incapable of accessing it. So let's think of scenarios - you park your car for the day for work so you rent it out. What happens when there is a emergency, or you need to pop out for a quick errand? What happens when the person returning it shows up late? The reason you buy a car is for the convenience to be able to transport yourself from A to B, at any point that you need to. I just see so few scenarios, except for traveling out of your home location, that could warrant this model scaling out to other scenarios. The number of airports is very static too. Personally, I would much rather see good public transport take off in over congested cities like SFO, NYC, etc. I see a business model like this as fixing the wrong problem. Assuming they reduce all of the liabilities (which is 100x harder to do with mechanical items as opposed to an apartment/house) then I definitely see this taking off. On the flip side, I suspect margins will forever be razor thin in order to be competitive and the growth will halt when no new scenarios beyond airport parking can be found.

shrig94 13y ago
We're not looking to leave the airport vertical actually. About half of all rental volume takes place at airports.
aashaykumar92 13y ago
The article points out that the airport rental car business is a $10 Billion market...I don't think they need to worry about leaving this scenario (market/vertical) anytime soon nor do I think they need to worry about scaling. Disrupting a $10B market will keep them busy for quite some time before really having to worry about other scenarios (or other verticals).