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> an open source approach can be seriously competitive Do you really think any Joe Schmoe off the street could just grab your open source HFT and start making

> an open source approach can be seriously competitive Do you really think any Joe Schmoe off the street could just grab your open source HFT and start making money with it? If not, how does your project benefit anyone? Are you working in the industry, but not in HFT? Maybe this is project is just practise for getting a job in HFT? I imagine that's where programmers get the fattest paychecks in the world. Only a fraction of what the sociopaths running the show get, of course, but good money nevertheless. > I just don't agree that HFT is a scourge. Good thing you're not at all biased.

zygomega 13y ago
Good points. To be more precise, I think that an open source approach to system research and design can be hyper-competitive versus closed-door secret-squirrel development run by a committee looking for short-term wins. This project benefits me firstly because I get feedback on my initial scratchings and maybe even collaboration on areas outside my comfort zone. And it could well enable me and others to avoid having to work for the sociopaths. I am biased in thinking that monitoring the market and trading at low latency isn't fundamentally a bad thing, and shouldn't be taxed because others are too lazy to do the same thing. I certainly think that hft has been used by evil people to front-run unknowing third-parties, often in collaboration with middle men and women who turn a blind eye to the morality of their business models.
- jahewson 13y ago
  Sorry, you're criticising the mindset of "short-term wins" and you're in HFT? What do you think HFT is? Wake up and smell the coffee.
- acjohnson55 13y ago
  Others are two lazy? It's my understanding that the average Joe has no access to the hardware and low latency network connections to be able to do this on his own.
  - zygomega 13y ago
    There is a rather large economic rent attached to HFT at the moment. If my project or others like it can eat into that rent a touch, it might not stay that way.
    - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
      Exactly, if you take the position that gains from HFT are basically "stolen" profits from otherwise more productive market participants, then any that can be "stolen back" is a win.
      - fbru02 13y ago
        There have always been "market-makers" why do you care if they are algorithmic or human ?
  - ycombobreaker 13y ago
    > It's my understanding that the average Joe has no access to the hardware and low latency network connections to be able to do this on his own. Yes, but for US equities this is purely economical: _anyone_ can buy colocated rackspace, direct market data feeds, and direct connectivity. The average Joe does not want to do this any more than he wants to build his own tennis-shoe factory.
scott_s 13y ago
I don't get your sarcasm at the end of your post. He's stating up front in plain terms what his position is; he's not trying to hide his bias.
mseebach 13y ago
> Good thing you're not at all biased. > As you may well be aware, HFT is a scourge on the world's economy, and it's a game only the biggest and best-connected players benefit from. Good thing you're not stating opinion as fact.

zygomega 13y ago

Good points. To be more precise, I think that an open source approach to system research and design can be hyper-competitive versus closed-door secret-squirrel development run by a committee looking for short-term wins. This project benefits me firstly because I get feedback on my initial scratchings and maybe even collaboration on areas outside my comfort zone. And it could well enable me and others to avoid having to work for the sociopaths. I am biased in thinking that monitoring the market and trading at low latency isn't fundamentally a bad thing, and shouldn't be taxed because others are too lazy to do the same thing. I certainly think that hft has been used by evil people to front-run unknowing third-parties, often in collaboration with middle men and women who turn a blind eye to the morality of their business models.

jahewson 13y ago
Sorry, you're criticising the mindset of "short-term wins" and you're in HFT? What do you think HFT is? Wake up and smell the coffee.
acjohnson55 13y ago
Others are two lazy? It's my understanding that the average Joe has no access to the hardware and low latency network connections to be able to do this on his own.
- zygomega 13y ago
  There is a rather large economic rent attached to HFT at the moment. If my project or others like it can eat into that rent a touch, it might not stay that way.
  - fnordfnordfnord 13y ago
    Exactly, if you take the position that gains from HFT are basically "stolen" profits from otherwise more productive market participants, then any that can be "stolen back" is a win.
    - fbru02 13y ago
      There have always been "market-makers" why do you care if they are algorithmic or human ?
- ycombobreaker 13y ago
  > It's my understanding that the average Joe has no access to the hardware and low latency network connections to be able to do this on his own. Yes, but for US equities this is purely economical: _anyone_ can buy colocated rackspace, direct market data feeds, and direct connectivity. The average Joe does not want to do this any more than he wants to build his own tennis-shoe factory.

scott_s 13y ago

I don't get your sarcasm at the end of your post. He's stating up front in plain terms what his position is; he's not trying to hide his bias.

mseebach 13y ago

> Good thing you're not at all biased. > As you may well be aware, HFT is a scourge on the world's economy, and it's a game only the biggest and best-connected players benefit from. Good thing you're not stating opinion as fact.