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Whilst internment was a pretty nasty thing, I don't think that what went on in British prisons is comparable to what goes on in Guatanamo Bay. The point was th

Whilst internment was a pretty nasty thing, I don't think that what went on in British prisons is comparable to what goes on in Guatanamo Bay. The point was that whilst nowhere is perfectly just and or free, there is the perception that the USA promotes itself as being so.

rmc 14y ago
The British didn't do forced feeding, but I'd hardly say it was great. As well as hunger strikes the prisoners also protested wearing prison uniforms. So the staff didn't empty their toilets. The prisoners smeared their feces on the walls. I'd recommend the film Hunger, it's a bit raw.
- hobolobo 14y ago
  Well, the Brits did actually do force feeding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Price http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Price Though there are/were certain conditions on when it could be ordered such as when the inmate has an eating disorder or becomes mentally incapacitated: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/493713.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/493713.stm I believe that the inhumane treatment that went on in UK/NI was not systemic but a result of individuals acting of their own accord. Guantanamo Bay was chosen to locate the camp in order to allow these kinds of things to go on because American law does not apply there.
  - rmc 14y ago
    I was talking about that particular hunger strike in the 80s. Many died who didn't get force fed. That's not to say they never did it, nor will ever again, I was merely comparing that hunger strike to the one in the article. I do think a lot of the Northern Ireland stuff was institutional. Gerry-mandering of election results, police oppression, etc.
    - ankitml 14y ago
      Why da faq are you arguing on this nitty gritty of UK? US cannot justify gitmo just on the basis of something that UK did sometime back. You cant change what UK did, let it be. Every country has its heritage, both contributions and black spots.
- gadders 14y ago
  But, you know, on the upside, they were all convicted terrorists. If they want to smear shit up the walls because they don't get Casual Friday then let them.
dash2 14y ago
Not sure you are right there, speaking as a Brit. Torture was used on internees, as detailed in the book Cruel Britannia by Ian Cobain. I believe that torture also took place in Guantanamo, but I don't know whether it was worse. (Black prisons in other places like Baghram are another matter.) In any case, in Guantanamo, the detention without trial is almost worse and more disgraceful than the torture. How can the democracies hold our heads up if this is how we behave?

rmc 14y ago

The British didn't do forced feeding, but I'd hardly say it was great. As well as hunger strikes the prisoners also protested wearing prison uniforms. So the staff didn't empty their toilets. The prisoners smeared their feces on the walls. I'd recommend the film Hunger, it's a bit raw.

hobolobo 14y ago
Well, the Brits did actually do force feeding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Price http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Price Though there are/were certain conditions on when it could be ordered such as when the inmate has an eating disorder or becomes mentally incapacitated: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/493713.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/493713.stm I believe that the inhumane treatment that went on in UK/NI was not systemic but a result of individuals acting of their own accord. Guantanamo Bay was chosen to locate the camp in order to allow these kinds of things to go on because American law does not apply there.
- rmc 14y ago
  I was talking about that particular hunger strike in the 80s. Many died who didn't get force fed. That's not to say they never did it, nor will ever again, I was merely comparing that hunger strike to the one in the article. I do think a lot of the Northern Ireland stuff was institutional. Gerry-mandering of election results, police oppression, etc.
  - ankitml 14y ago
    Why da faq are you arguing on this nitty gritty of UK? US cannot justify gitmo just on the basis of something that UK did sometime back. You cant change what UK did, let it be. Every country has its heritage, both contributions and black spots.
gadders 14y ago
But, you know, on the upside, they were all convicted terrorists. If they want to smear shit up the walls because they don't get Casual Friday then let them.

dash2 14y ago

Not sure you are right there, speaking as a Brit. Torture was used on internees, as detailed in the book Cruel Britannia by Ian Cobain. I believe that torture also took place in Guantanamo, but I don't know whether it was worse. (Black prisons in other places like Baghram are another matter.) In any case, in Guantanamo, the detention without trial is almost worse and more disgraceful than the torture. How can the democracies hold our heads up if this is how we behave?