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If they were sent home, very many of them would be instantly killed, imprisoned or worse. For many of them, Gitmo is probably a lot better than they'd be facing

If they were sent home, very many of them would be instantly killed, imprisoned or worse. For many of them, Gitmo is probably a lot better than they'd be facing at home.

darklajid 14y ago
Let's not forget that this comment of yours is in a thread about a guy sitting in that very same place, _asking_ to get home whatever the price would be. So the whole article that spawned this thread shows a very different position. That totally ignores my immediate 'citation needed' urges and my shock about this opinion.
- ptaipale 14y ago
  And I responded to a comment which was simply saying "Just send them home". That can't be done for "them" all. I believe there is a wide variation within those imprisoned: some are innocent and were captured by mistake or worse (e.g. rivals were turned in by jealous neighbours, or whatever), others are actually hardened fanatics. And it is very difficult to know who is what.
  - PavlovsCat 14y ago
    And since when is being a "hardened fanatic" a crime? As long as they're not otherwise engaged in criminally acting that out, who the fuck cares what they think? If there was any actually solid evidence for anything real against them, they wouldn't be in limbo, would they.
beedogs 14y ago
Really? We're "protecting them" by keeping them locked up forever without charges? This kind of moral prevarication disgusts me. You disgust me.
breakyerself 14y ago
Thats stupid. You're stupid.
- ptaipale 14y ago
  Possibly, but am I wrong? As far as I understand, this is quite a real problem: no country is willing to receive most of these prisoners, except countries to which the U.S. cannot reasonably send them. Public opinion in the U.S. is hostile towards accepting them as refugees. A few have been placed to Palau, because sending them home to China would be bad and Palau is in no position to refuse such a request. Is that fair? Hardly. In the U.S., lots of people in principle like to close Gitmo but in practice want the prisoners go to somewhere else, not settle as their own neighbours. Sorry, I don't have good advice for what to do.
  - marrs 14y ago
    Tough shit. If they didn't want to take responsibility for these people then they shouldn't have interned them in the first place. Also, this definitely isn't hacker news but I'm glad it was brought to my attention anyway.
  - ucee054 14y ago
    Yes, you are wrong. Refugee status was invented for such people.
gsnedders 14y ago
Then give them a choice to go home, and if they don't want to, grant them asylum in the US. There's no reason for them to be locked up in a quasi-jail just because it's unsafe for them to go home.
flyinRyan 14y ago
What a sickening comment. I don't know anything about you beyond this one post of yours but so far you seem like a disgusting human being.

If they were sent home, very many of them would be instantly killed, imprisoned or worse. For many of them, Gitmo is probably a lot better than they'd be facing at home.

darklajid 14y ago

Let's not forget that this comment of yours is in a thread about a guy sitting in that very same place, _asking_ to get home whatever the price would be. So the whole article that spawned this thread shows a very different position. That totally ignores my immediate 'citation needed' urges and my shock about this opinion.

ptaipale 14y ago
And I responded to a comment which was simply saying "Just send them home". That can't be done for "them" all. I believe there is a wide variation within those imprisoned: some are innocent and were captured by mistake or worse (e.g. rivals were turned in by jealous neighbours, or whatever), others are actually hardened fanatics. And it is very difficult to know who is what.
- PavlovsCat 14y ago
  And since when is being a "hardened fanatic" a crime? As long as they're not otherwise engaged in criminally acting that out, who the fuck cares what they think? If there was any actually solid evidence for anything real against them, they wouldn't be in limbo, would they.

beedogs 14y ago

Really? We're "protecting them" by keeping them locked up forever without charges? This kind of moral prevarication disgusts me. You disgust me.

breakyerself 14y ago

Thats stupid. You're stupid.

ptaipale 14y ago
Possibly, but am I wrong? As far as I understand, this is quite a real problem: no country is willing to receive most of these prisoners, except countries to which the U.S. cannot reasonably send them. Public opinion in the U.S. is hostile towards accepting them as refugees. A few have been placed to Palau, because sending them home to China would be bad and Palau is in no position to refuse such a request. Is that fair? Hardly. In the U.S., lots of people in principle like to close Gitmo but in practice want the prisoners go to somewhere else, not settle as their own neighbours. Sorry, I don't have good advice for what to do.
- marrs 14y ago
  Tough shit. If they didn't want to take responsibility for these people then they shouldn't have interned them in the first place. Also, this definitely isn't hacker news but I'm glad it was brought to my attention anyway.
- ucee054 14y ago
  Yes, you are wrong. Refugee status was invented for such people.

gsnedders 14y ago

Then give them a choice to go home, and if they don't want to, grant them asylum in the US. There's no reason for them to be locked up in a quasi-jail just because it's unsafe for them to go home.

flyinRyan 14y ago

What a sickening comment. I don't know anything about you beyond this one post of yours but so far you seem like a disgusting human being.