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Lot of things mentioned here are not that easy. To legally bring citizens of other countries in American justice system and have them fair trial you need to hav

by sytelus 14y ago

Lot of things mentioned here are not that easy. To legally bring citizens of other countries in American justice system and have them fair trial you need to have respect various treaties - many of which may simply require sending them back to their respective country to be handled by their own governments which usually is not the best thing especially for terrorist suspects. The next best thing however might be have them as prisoner of war kept out side of US justice system. What is missing here is other side of the coin, however. Keeping people in Gitmo takes money, planning, book keeping and plenty of other administrative hassles. Even though there was no trial it is hard to imagine that military doesn't do any accounting of these people and they are just kept there, fed, clothed every day without any justification or reasoning. I know govt can't be trusted from wasting taxpayer money but it looks over the top that such a high profile place will keep people for 11 years straight without any convincing reasoning. Without response from govt to this story we only know one side.

cynwoody 14y ago
> Lot of things mentioned here are not that easy. To legally bring citizens of other countries in American justice system and have them fair trial you need to have respect various treaties - many of which may simply require sending them back to their respective country to be handled by their own governments which usually is not the best thing especially for terrorist suspects. Bureaucratic considerations are of no consequence. The reputation of the United States of America is at stake. It's 2013. These cases need to be resolved. The innocent should be sent home with apologies and fat Treasury checks. The guilty should be executed. And Gitmo should go back to being a Caribbean naval base with a cheap annual rent[2]. I can't say if the current case is valid, but I am reminded of the case of Ahmed Errachidi[1], Guantánamo Prisoner 590, who turned out to be a London chef who had journeyed to Pakistan in 2001 and was kidnapped by crooked Pakis and sold to the credulous US for $5000. Errachidi was finally sprung in 2007. But you have to wonder how many similar cases there are. [1] http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/09/16/ahmed-errachidi-guantanamo-prisoner-590-the-cook-who-became-the-general/ http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/09/16/ahmed-errachidi-... [2] http://books.google.com/books?id=atTyCI8ZwboC&pg=PA243&dq=guantanamo+annual+rent&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ObZrUanbL8qL0QHfjoGQCQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=guantanamo%20annual%20rent&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=atTyCI8ZwboC&pg=PA243&#...
gokhan 14y ago
>Lot of things mentioned here are not that easy. It's US' burden to solve the Gitmo issue, whether it's easy or hard. America can't keep telling people that it's the land of democracy and freedom, and ignore Gitmo at the same time. >To legally bring citizens of other countries in American justice system... Gitmo is 100% American. If you think what US did there is outside of jurisdiction, it's fuckin politics and not reality. Stop ignoring the facts and face it. >The next best thing however might be have them as prisoner of war... Either there's no war or it's already over. Those people in Gitmo are there because US don't know how to clean up it's own shit without facing international humiliation when the press arrives at the door of the released prisoners. >Even though there was no trial it is hard to imagine that military doesn't do any accounting of these people and they are just kept there... So you're OK with a system if military or let's say a central authority decides if someone is guilty or not, without giving the man his right to defend himself. Where do you draw the line? Is it OK if military tells you that your friend is a terrorist? How about you father? "it is hard to imagine that military doesn't do any accounting of these people", after all.

by sytelus 14y ago

cynwoody 14y ago

> Lot of things mentioned here are not that easy. To legally bring citizens of other countries in American justice system and have them fair trial you need to have respect various treaties - many of which may simply require sending them back to their respective country to be handled by their own governments which usually is not the best thing especially for terrorist suspects. Bureaucratic considerations are of no consequence. The reputation of the United States of America is at stake. It's 2013. These cases need to be resolved. The innocent should be sent home with apologies and fat Treasury checks. The guilty should be executed. And Gitmo should go back to being a Caribbean naval base with a cheap annual rent[2]. I can't say if the current case is valid, but I am reminded of the case of Ahmed Errachidi[1], Guantánamo Prisoner 590, who turned out to be a London chef who had journeyed to Pakistan in 2001 and was kidnapped by crooked Pakis and sold to the credulous US for $5000. Errachidi was finally sprung in 2007. But you have to wonder how many similar cases there are. [1] http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/09/16/ahmed-errachidi-guantanamo-prisoner-590-the-cook-who-became-the-general/ http://www.andyworthington.co.uk/2011/09/16/ahmed-errachidi-... [2] http://books.google.com/books?id=atTyCI8ZwboC&pg=PA243&dq=guantanamo+annual+rent&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ObZrUanbL8qL0QHfjoGQCQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=guantanamo%20annual%20rent&f=false http://books.google.com/books?id=atTyCI8ZwboC&pg=PA243&#...

gokhan 14y ago

>Lot of things mentioned here are not that easy. It's US' burden to solve the Gitmo issue, whether it's easy or hard. America can't keep telling people that it's the land of democracy and freedom, and ignore Gitmo at the same time. >To legally bring citizens of other countries in American justice system... Gitmo is 100% American. If you think what US did there is outside of jurisdiction, it's fuckin politics and not reality. Stop ignoring the facts and face it. >The next best thing however might be have them as prisoner of war... Either there's no war or it's already over. Those people in Gitmo are there because US don't know how to clean up it's own shit without facing international humiliation when the press arrives at the door of the released prisoners. >Even though there was no trial it is hard to imagine that military doesn't do any accounting of these people and they are just kept there... So you're OK with a system if military or let's say a central authority decides if someone is guilty or not, without giving the man his right to defend himself. Where do you draw the line? Is it OK if military tells you that your friend is a terrorist? How about you father? "it is hard to imagine that military doesn't do any accounting of these people", after all.