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Well, they want to make it easier for companies to get good working power, not allow people come and "steal" your benefits.

by klrr 14y ago

dllthomas 14y ago
I think you read me as saying the opposite of what I was saying. The biggest problem with entitlements in the current environment is that the younger/working population is shrinking relative to the older/retiring population. Opening the borders means more younger workers coming, and probably having more children, who'll be "paying for my social security." Of course, the comment was jokingly flippant - it's not really a good reason to throw the borders open, though there are certainly more serious arguments on both sides of that debate.
- stephengillie 14y ago
  Social security is built on a population bubble. Like the housing bubble, we can't expect it to last.
  - dllthomas 14y ago
    Yes. Increasing immigration is a way of keeping that bubble inflated longer. Like I said, it was jokingly flippant, in terms of actual reasons.
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jadoint 14y ago
I think he's alluding to the fact that the more people that come and work in the U.S., the more people there will be to fund his social security.
- ams6110 14y ago
  Assuming that they actually work.
  - enraged_camel 14y ago
    What the hell does that mean?
    - Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
      He means the hell that immigrant households use welfare and related wealth-transfer programs at higher rates than do non-immigrant households. But of course his comment got the hell voted down by the hive-mind because he was rude enough to notice.
      - blinkingled 14y ago
        > immigrant households use welfare and related wealth transfer programs at higher rates The data includes both legal and illegal immigrants along with the minority high skilled immigrants. http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 implies that most of that welfare use is from low skilled immigrants and not high skilled ones that are the topic of interest of most HNers. He presumably got downvoted because it is irrelevant at best and misdirection at worst (by combining illegal and legal data and claiming immigrants claim more welfare which makes it look like highly skilled immigrants claim more welfare).
        Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
        A quote from the link that you provide: "But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009." Not a very impressive difference, that. As for the notion that most HNers are interested only in high-skilled immigrants rather than low-skilled ones, that may well be the case. But low-skilled immigrants certainly are interested in HNers, or rather the money that HNers possess.
RegRegReg 14y ago
"...to get good working power..." You forgot "for much less money".

Well, they want to make it easier for companies to get good working power, not allow people come and "steal" your benefits.

by klrr 14y ago

Well, they want to make it easier for companies to get good working power, not allow people come and "steal" your benefits.

dllthomas 14y ago

I think you read me as saying the opposite of what I was saying. The biggest problem with entitlements in the current environment is that the younger/working population is shrinking relative to the older/retiring population. Opening the borders means more younger workers coming, and probably having more children, who'll be "paying for my social security." Of course, the comment was jokingly flippant - it's not really a good reason to throw the borders open, though there are certainly more serious arguments on both sides of that debate.

stephengillie 14y ago
Social security is built on a population bubble. Like the housing bubble, we can't expect it to last.
- dllthomas 14y ago
  Yes. Increasing immigration is a way of keeping that bubble inflated longer. Like I said, it was jokingly flippant, in terms of actual reasons.

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jadoint 14y ago

I think he's alluding to the fact that the more people that come and work in the U.S., the more people there will be to fund his social security.

ams6110 14y ago
Assuming that they actually work.
- enraged_camel 14y ago
  What the hell does that mean?
  - Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
    He means the hell that immigrant households use welfare and related wealth-transfer programs at higher rates than do non-immigrant households. But of course his comment got the hell voted down by the hive-mind because he was rude enough to notice.
    - blinkingled 14y ago
      > immigrant households use welfare and related wealth transfer programs at higher rates The data includes both legal and illegal immigrants along with the minority high skilled immigrants. http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 http://www.cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 implies that most of that welfare use is from low skilled immigrants and not high skilled ones that are the topic of interest of most HNers. He presumably got downvoted because it is irrelevant at best and misdirection at worst (by combining illegal and legal data and claiming immigrants claim more welfare which makes it look like highly skilled immigrants claim more welfare).
      - Kudzu_Bob 14y ago
        A quote from the link that you provide: "But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009." Not a very impressive difference, that. As for the notion that most HNers are interested only in high-skilled immigrants rather than low-skilled ones, that may well be the case. But low-skilled immigrants certainly are interested in HNers, or rather the money that HNers possess.

RegRegReg 14y ago

"...to get good working power..." You forgot "for much less money".