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There are people (more often than not children) in the world that work 20 hours a day in small crowded rooms and make less than living wage. They don't really

by sgpl 14y ago

There are people (more often than not children) in the world that work 20 hours a day in small crowded rooms and make less than living wage. They don't really know another way of life. That is all they have ever been exposed to. They don't know about Apple/Google/iPhone or Steve Jobs or what a computer is because their village is so fucking remote that the Government of India decided it would be a hassle to provide electricity, and their parents decided to make additional income by renting out a few kids to make ends meet. These people don't really consider themselves victims, because they don't think they have been wronged. They were mostly unlucky in the lottery of life and born in poor circumstances. You can refuse to believe whatever you want but the fact is that you were extremely lucky in life to be either born in a relatively well to do family or in circumstances that exposed you technology, educational experiences over the course of your life. Having an internet connection can be a life changing effect, because of the access to information it provides. >> Nobody is going to help you and shouldn't. >> But a healthy person who doesn't work hard deserves his condition. >> expecting somebody to come and help is not a unrealistic expectation but a 'unjust' expectation. >> There by each man for his own and shall deserve net result of his own work. ^^ I am glad that everyone doesn't think like you because the world truly would be an awful place if they did.

kamaal 14y ago
>>They were mostly unlucky in the lottery of life and born in poor circumstances. I never denied that. My whole point was, now that you are- What next? If you think you are happy with poverty then the story ends there. If you aren't then, the government can do little, Sorry but there are simply too many people in our country. The ordinary citizen will not and can't do anything about you. It will be your and your problem alone. It will be difficult, hard and a tiring lifelong worth of work. Just like it is for everybody else. What else were you thinking?
- Volpe 14y ago
  Your callousness and (what seems to be a) lack of empathy to those less fortunate is quite confronting to read.
  - frankzinger 14y ago
    Kamaal makes a valid point. He is simply stating things from the perspective of a poor person, and is describing reality. It would be a big mistake for a poor person to rely on somebody else to improve his situation. The situation is very similar in South Africa. The poor makes up such a large proportion of the population that their situation cannot be improved significantly without major wealth redistribution (combined with a massive reduction in government corruption, preferably). Neither of these things are likely to happen (unless there is a revolution), so a poor person can only realisticly rely on himself to improve his situation. Kamaal's point does not contradict the OP's. It's just a statement of reality from the perspective of the poor.
    - Volpe 14y ago
      I wouldn't agree with this. the poor (generally) on their own: Have no chance. They can work endlessly, and their situation will not change. Kamaal seems to be blaming them for being 'victims'... But they literally have no chance on their own. They need others (poor and higher classes) to change the institutions that cause their helplessness. Arguing they have only themselves to rely on, feels like a rationalisation to not help them.
      - frankzinger 14y ago
        Which part of Kamaal's post blames anybody for having the 'victim mentality'? All I see him saying is that 10:1 nobody will help you so you need to either accept poverty or work towards getting yourself out of it. EDIT: I see where you're coming from now that I've seen his higher-up posts.
    - vacri 14y ago
      Half of the problem of being poor is even being aware that you are able to change your status. It's intellectually lazy to pull the 'just work hard' line, when most of what gets you wealth is what you know, not how hard you work. Not to mention that in the end, even if everyone did 'just work hard', there isn't enough wealth to go around. The civilised thing is at least to give people basic services and let themselves work to higher wealth from there.

by sgpl 14y ago

kamaal 14y ago

>>They were mostly unlucky in the lottery of life and born in poor circumstances. I never denied that. My whole point was, now that you are- What next? If you think you are happy with poverty then the story ends there. If you aren't then, the government can do little, Sorry but there are simply too many people in our country. The ordinary citizen will not and can't do anything about you. It will be your and your problem alone. It will be difficult, hard and a tiring lifelong worth of work. Just like it is for everybody else. What else were you thinking?

Volpe 14y ago
Your callousness and (what seems to be a) lack of empathy to those less fortunate is quite confronting to read.
- frankzinger 14y ago
  Kamaal makes a valid point. He is simply stating things from the perspective of a poor person, and is describing reality. It would be a big mistake for a poor person to rely on somebody else to improve his situation. The situation is very similar in South Africa. The poor makes up such a large proportion of the population that their situation cannot be improved significantly without major wealth redistribution (combined with a massive reduction in government corruption, preferably). Neither of these things are likely to happen (unless there is a revolution), so a poor person can only realisticly rely on himself to improve his situation. Kamaal's point does not contradict the OP's. It's just a statement of reality from the perspective of the poor.
  - Volpe 14y ago
    I wouldn't agree with this. the poor (generally) on their own: Have no chance. They can work endlessly, and their situation will not change. Kamaal seems to be blaming them for being 'victims'... But they literally have no chance on their own. They need others (poor and higher classes) to change the institutions that cause their helplessness. Arguing they have only themselves to rely on, feels like a rationalisation to not help them.
    - frankzinger 14y ago
      Which part of Kamaal's post blames anybody for having the 'victim mentality'? All I see him saying is that 10:1 nobody will help you so you need to either accept poverty or work towards getting yourself out of it. EDIT: I see where you're coming from now that I've seen his higher-up posts.
  - vacri 14y ago
    Half of the problem of being poor is even being aware that you are able to change your status. It's intellectually lazy to pull the 'just work hard' line, when most of what gets you wealth is what you know, not how hard you work. Not to mention that in the end, even if everyone did 'just work hard', there isn't enough wealth to go around. The civilised thing is at least to give people basic services and let themselves work to higher wealth from there.