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>> "Photoshop through a browser? DO NOT WANT." What you seem to fail to see is that you're an outlier. Most people want photoshop through a browser. Most peop
by axod 18y ago
>> "Photoshop through a browser? DO NOT WANT."
What you seem to fail to see is that you're an outlier.
Most people want photoshop through a browser. Most people already do most of their stuff through a browser. It's funny to even debate, because it's happening/happened for large amounts of people out there already. Ask your parents what they do on the computer, and it's likely to be 90%+ web, with perhaps a couple of desktop apps. If that.
Ironically, it's the techie usually early adopters that are lagging here, preferring to stick with desktop software. The people leading the webapp charge are people who don't want the fuss of downloading desktop software, with potential spyware etc, and just go to google and find a webapp instead.
The same phenomenon exists when some people discuss advertising. "No one clicks on ads anymore" - it's easy to say, if you install adblock, or just don't click on ads, but this is a total minority. The majority do click on ads. Just like the majority want, and use webapps over desktop apps.
>> "Gmail became popular not because it employed AJAX or was based online, but because it solved a hair-on-fire problem: tiny inbox sizes."
I think actually the reason it succeeded was because it had ridiculously fast searching, and unlike a desktop app, you don't have to worry about your storage. I don't think the majority of people really cared about inbox size. The fact you could easily search for things in a simple and blazingly fast webapp was key. For most people, it is better than a desktop app.
>> "This statement I also find ridiculous. If anything, increased broadband availability has made computers even more of a must-have product."
The fact that broadband access has increased etc means there's less need to have a thick client. Where previously you needed to download a video, click on it, watch it, we all now just watch videos streamed to us by a webapp.
When we all have 1Gbps connections, why would we need a full powerful computer each? Why would it not be in most persons better interest to just have a very thin power conserving client that connects up to the big servers doing the grunt work.
The fact is, it's happening, and will continue to happen. You can't stop it. It's inevitable. You might prefer to stick with your computer and desktop apps, but you'll be a small minority, like the people who still buy records on vinyl.
>> "The revolution in web apps was making them behave more like desktop apps."
I disagree with that. The revolution in webapps is making them work BETTER than desktop apps. Gmail can search my mail much faster than my computer can. Mibbit can do things impossible with desktop IRC clients. etc etc
The reason Microsoft are 'dead' is that they don't get it. They're dead in a similar sense to the music industry IMHO - the market changed around them and they completely failed to adapt.
- brk 18y agoThe Photoshop example is a little bit unique... I too do not want Photoshop in a browser. I shoot Canon 5D and 5DMkII. My RAW images are HUGE. I'd either have to upload them to the server to "edit", or download a fairly hefty app to run locally. Photoshop (true photoshop) is processor and bandwidth intensive when used as intended. It won't live in the cloud for a very long time. Now, what my parents and similar folks want is a way to reduce red-eye, crop and convert photos and apply some simple effects. Sure, THAT can be a web-app. But, the cloud is not killing photoshop. I also personally do a lot of business travel. Until planes have free, good wifi, then "cloud apps" suck for me. I want to be able to read emails and queue responses while in-flight. I want to be able to edit and organize docs and presentations. I want to be able to look up an address or phone number from my inbox QUICKLY, without having to establish a wifi connection, accept some TOS for the free access, go to gmail, find the message, etc. Just pop open my MBP, give it 8 seconds to "wakeup", go to mail.app and pull the message I want.
- axod 18y ago>> "My RAW images are HUGE" In a few years time those will likely take less than a second to upload though. I agree, video editing, large photo editing will take longer to move over. >> "Until planes have free, good wifi" It'll certainly happen, it's just a matter of how quickly. I'd bet maybe 5 years :/
- brk 18y agoIn a few years I will likely be shooting .RAWs that are 50MB... Some things are simply not meant to be done in the cloud. I think the right answer is to not fight the cloud OR the desktop appropriate applications. Developers should realize that for many markets, they may have to support both models to gain significant market share. Most companies have gained marketshare by customers what they want instead of forcing a particular model upon them...
- Tamerlin 18y agoMine are already over 500MB. An online Photoshop wouldn't be at all feasible for me :)