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Genuinely curious, how do you measure innovation? I had a quick google for some data and the best measure I could find was this[1], which places the US on a si

by analog 13y ago

Genuinely curious, how do you measure innovation? I had a quick google for some data and the best measure I could find was this[1], which places the US on a similar level to the European/Scandinavian countries with strong economies. [1] http://www.globalinnovationindex.org/gii/main/fullreport/files/Global%20Innovation%20Index%202012.pdf http://www.globalinnovationindex.org/gii/main/fullreport/fil...

youngerdryas 13y ago
I really wish there was actual competition to the US but there is not. I can make an argument and cite findings that show that China is more free than Europe but it is still patently false. What is the EU equivalent of NASA, Apple, Google, SpaceX etc. Competition is good for all, pretending is not.
- analog 13y ago
  So it's just your gut feeling that the US is more innovative than the EU? Edit: That comes across as more snarky than it's meant.
  - youngerdryas 13y ago
    In the same way it is my gut feeling the EU is more free than China.
    - analog 13y ago
      Well sure, but you could back that up with data[1]. With the innovation index the data apparently disputes your gut feeling. So which do you trust? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices
      - youngerdryas 13y ago
        I gave you my list of US innovators, lets see your list.
        analog 13y ago
        I don't have a list, and I'm not seeing this as a competition. If you want to see where the GII data comes from I'm sure it's on their website.
        BerislavLopac 13y ago
        No, you gave a list consisting of: one huge government agency (there's ESA, and pretty much every EU nation has some king of space exploration agency), one giant hardware corporation which made tons of money doing incremental improvement on others' inventions, a giant software company milking a single innovation to build an effective monopoly, and a private space research company. It's a vast difference between "technology innovator" and "a successful international corporation built on technology innovations", and Europe has a ton of the former. For every Tesla there's a Rimac Automobili, for every SpaceX there's a Hipersfera -- and that's just from a small country on the edge of EU. I'm sure others could come up with better results from elsewhere.

by analog 13y ago

youngerdryas 13y ago

I really wish there was actual competition to the US but there is not. I can make an argument and cite findings that show that China is more free than Europe but it is still patently false. What is the EU equivalent of NASA, Apple, Google, SpaceX etc. Competition is good for all, pretending is not.

analog 13y ago
So it's just your gut feeling that the US is more innovative than the EU? Edit: That comes across as more snarky than it's meant.
- youngerdryas 13y ago
  In the same way it is my gut feeling the EU is more free than China.
  - analog 13y ago
    Well sure, but you could back that up with data[1]. With the innovation index the data apparently disputes your gut feeling. So which do you trust? [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices
    - youngerdryas 13y ago
      I gave you my list of US innovators, lets see your list.
      - analog 13y ago
        I don't have a list, and I'm not seeing this as a competition. If you want to see where the GII data comes from I'm sure it's on their website.
      - BerislavLopac 13y ago
        No, you gave a list consisting of: one huge government agency (there's ESA, and pretty much every EU nation has some king of space exploration agency), one giant hardware corporation which made tons of money doing incremental improvement on others' inventions, a giant software company milking a single innovation to build an effective monopoly, and a private space research company. It's a vast difference between "technology innovator" and "a successful international corporation built on technology innovations", and Europe has a ton of the former. For every Tesla there's a Rimac Automobili, for every SpaceX there's a Hipersfera -- and that's just from a small country on the edge of EU. I'm sure others could come up with better results from elsewhere.