I'm using Java on xp-dev.com. I did run through a bunch of frameworks (Spring webflow, Wicket, Struts), and just decided to rollout a home grown one. See, I'm

I'm using Java on xp-dev.com. I did run through a bunch of frameworks (Spring webflow, Wicket, Struts), and just decided to rollout a home grown one. See, I'm still two minded and really really undecided whether Java is a good or bad programming language. One mind says Java is verbose and does not support nice things like closures (there are anonymous classes, but it's still not pristine) and then the other mind says, but but.. look at the IDE support - in a bunch of keystrokes you end up with loads of code, and you can refactor nicely and whatnot