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Teenagers and young adolescents are desperate to fit in everywhere though, I'm not sure I would take that as a sign of the society as a whole. I would want to s

Teenagers and young adolescents are desperate to fit in everywhere though, I'm not sure I would take that as a sign of the society as a whole. I would want to see how this compares to university outside the US, as well.

HarryHirsch 14y ago
I never noticed the overbearing desire to fit in when I was at uni in Britain and Germany. There is this idea that conformity is valued highly in East Asian cultures, and I have never been there and consequenly can't tell if this is true. But in America there is this talk of freedom, individualism and stuff, and it just simply isn't so.
- saraid216 14y ago
  > There is this idea that conformity is valued highly in East Asian cultures, and I have never been there and consequenly can't tell if this is true. Conformity is highly valued in all human cultures. It's what makes a culture a culture, what stabilizes and maintains it. The difference is more that Americans like to delude themselves with self-aggrandizing rhetoric, but don't have the experience and training to actually put it into practice.
- 3A2D50 14y ago
  What part of the US are you talking about? This hasn't been my experience at all (DC metropolitan area).
  - HarryHirsch 14y ago
    I'm in Flatland Northeast, and other foreigners here have made the same observation.
- elements 14y ago
  Clothing choices is one of the least consequential places for there to be a lack of individualism, and I hardly think it's a good proxy for judging how a group values freedom and individualism in areas that matter. I know a lot of people (myself included) whose dress is influenced by prevailing trends, but whose ideas, values, priorities, etc are not (or are to a much lesser degree).
- afterburner 14y ago
  Were you by any chance forced to wear a uniform in high school? I'm wondering if this practice makes people a little more rebellious clothing-wise in university. I'm not sure if it's more prevalent in other countries than the US.

HarryHirsch 14y ago

I never noticed the overbearing desire to fit in when I was at uni in Britain and Germany. There is this idea that conformity is valued highly in East Asian cultures, and I have never been there and consequenly can't tell if this is true. But in America there is this talk of freedom, individualism and stuff, and it just simply isn't so.

saraid216 14y ago
> There is this idea that conformity is valued highly in East Asian cultures, and I have never been there and consequenly can't tell if this is true. Conformity is highly valued in all human cultures. It's what makes a culture a culture, what stabilizes and maintains it. The difference is more that Americans like to delude themselves with self-aggrandizing rhetoric, but don't have the experience and training to actually put it into practice.
3A2D50 14y ago
What part of the US are you talking about? This hasn't been my experience at all (DC metropolitan area).
- HarryHirsch 14y ago
  I'm in Flatland Northeast, and other foreigners here have made the same observation.
elements 14y ago
Clothing choices is one of the least consequential places for there to be a lack of individualism, and I hardly think it's a good proxy for judging how a group values freedom and individualism in areas that matter. I know a lot of people (myself included) whose dress is influenced by prevailing trends, but whose ideas, values, priorities, etc are not (or are to a much lesser degree).
afterburner 14y ago
Were you by any chance forced to wear a uniform in high school? I'm wondering if this practice makes people a little more rebellious clothing-wise in university. I'm not sure if it's more prevalent in other countries than the US.