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It's not the first time he's inconsistent. One of his recent articles: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2012/07/09.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/

by atesti 14y ago

It's not the first time he's inconsistent. One of his recent articles: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2012/07/09.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2012/07/09.html also reads a little bit like bashing his own product FogBugz and advocating that it's a bit useless: "Do not allow more than two weeks (in fix time) of bugs to get into the bug database." "Then close as “won’t fix” everything left in the bug database. Don’t worry, the severe bugs will come back." Maybe they discontinue FogBugz soon and only concentrate on the more hip Trello?

atesti 14y ago
Am I not the only FogBugz user who read his old articels advocating the use of bug trackers, and then read this recent piece which advertises Trello and thinks that he kind of sees or advertises Trello as an alternative to FogBugz? And that the snarky comments against full bug databases are a bit inconsistent? Also, I'm still disappointed that they discontinued Kiln for self hosted servers. They did that silently.
- mhp 14y ago
  Trello is not and will never be designed for software developers. Can software developers use it? Sure. You could track your bugs in Excel if you wanted to. That's not Trello's audience. Regarding Kiln for self hosted: At Fog Creek, we've always said we don't want your money if you're not amazingly happy. We're not taking your money right now because we're not certain we can make you amazingly happy... yet. We found that the installed Kiln customer experience was not up to our standards as a company, so we've deferred taking on new installed customers until we're satisfied that they'll be amazingly happy with our product. We prioritized on our On Demand environment because that's where the bulk of our customers and revenue are. We still want to find a solution for our self hosted customers as well, but it wasn't our immediate priority and we weren't going to hold up shipping Kiln Harmony until we figured out what we were doing with self hosted installs.

by atesti 14y ago

atesti 14y ago

Am I not the only FogBugz user who read his old articels advocating the use of bug trackers, and then read this recent piece which advertises Trello and thinks that he kind of sees or advertises Trello as an alternative to FogBugz? And that the snarky comments against full bug databases are a bit inconsistent? Also, I'm still disappointed that they discontinued Kiln for self hosted servers. They did that silently.

mhp 14y ago
Trello is not and will never be designed for software developers. Can software developers use it? Sure. You could track your bugs in Excel if you wanted to. That's not Trello's audience. Regarding Kiln for self hosted: At Fog Creek, we've always said we don't want your money if you're not amazingly happy. We're not taking your money right now because we're not certain we can make you amazingly happy... yet. We found that the installed Kiln customer experience was not up to our standards as a company, so we've deferred taking on new installed customers until we're satisfied that they'll be amazingly happy with our product. We prioritized on our On Demand environment because that's where the bulk of our customers and revenue are. We still want to find a solution for our self hosted customers as well, but it wasn't our immediate priority and we weren't going to hold up shipping Kiln Harmony until we figured out what we were doing with self hosted installs.