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Pretty funny stuff. Short and sweet. More persuasive about gutting up and learning Ruby than the head-to-head debates I've slugged through. —A novice.

erlanger 18y ago
I hope you didn't find any of the sarcastic implications to be persuasive in their own right...#9 is unadulterated BS. In any case, I'm happy to keep fanboys out of the PHP and Perl communities...we know our languages have profound flaws, but like Terry Chay said, Rails is like a rounded rectangle and PHP is like a ball of nails [...] When I say that PHP is a ball of nails, basically, PHP is just this piece of shit that you just put together—put all the parts together—and you throw it against the wall and it fucking sticks. Were the Ruby community equally humble about their language's shortcomings, the programming blogosphere would be a far less annoying place. Or better, #8, comparing the brevity of two trivial snippets: foo = {"zulu" => "1", "alpha" => "4", "golf" => "8", "bravo" => "3"} bar = foo.keys.sort.slice(0,3) As opposed to $foo = array("zulu" => "1", "alpha" => "4", "golf" => "8", "bravo" => "3"); $keys = array_keys($foo); sort($keys); $bar = array_slice($keys, 0, 3); Look, I can put stuff on one line too! $foo = array("zulu" => "1", "alpha" => "4", "golf" => "8", "bravo" => "3"); $bar = array_slice(sort(array_keys($foo), 0, 3)); Other than a couple boilerplate "array" prefixes, the code is pretty much identical.
- plinkplonk 18y ago
  "Were the Ruby community equally humble about their language's shortcomings," The ruby community and humble? the mind boggles ;-). more seriously, in my opinion the ruby community is (mostly) sensible. Rails seems to attract all the fanboy cult ists. Sometimes this spills over into the ruby community. If you see the latest kerfluffle over Twitter moving a bit of code from ruby to Scala most of the incoherent blabbering responses came from the rails crowd (e.g Obie Fernandez's response on his blog).
  - gilesgoatboy 18y ago
    except, as always, for Giles Bowkett. he's awesome. a beacon of common sense and rationality who all Rails developers admire.
- CalmQuiet 18y ago
  Sorry. I should have been clearer: I don't yet know enough to evaluate all the comparisons. But it at least gets me "off the pot" to get on with a serious Ruby study.
  - erlanger 18y ago
    No need to apologize, that post was directed towards the crazies in the Ruby world. Good luck studying Ruby! It's a nice language.

erlanger 18y ago

I hope you didn't find any of the sarcastic implications to be persuasive in their own right...#9 is unadulterated BS. In any case, I'm happy to keep fanboys out of the PHP and Perl communities...we know our languages have profound flaws, but like Terry Chay said, Rails is like a rounded rectangle and PHP is like a ball of nails [...] When I say that PHP is a ball of nails, basically, PHP is just this piece of shit that you just put together—put all the parts together—and you throw it against the wall and it fucking sticks. Were the Ruby community equally humble about their language's shortcomings, the programming blogosphere would be a far less annoying place. Or better, #8, comparing the brevity of two trivial snippets: foo = {"zulu" => "1", "alpha" => "4", "golf" => "8", "bravo" => "3"} bar = foo.keys.sort.slice(0,3) As opposed to $foo = array("zulu" => "1", "alpha" => "4", "golf" => "8", "bravo" => "3"); $keys = array_keys($foo); sort($keys); $bar = array_slice($keys, 0, 3); Look, I can put stuff on one line too! $foo = array("zulu" => "1", "alpha" => "4", "golf" => "8", "bravo" => "3"); $bar = array_slice(sort(array_keys($foo), 0, 3)); Other than a couple boilerplate "array" prefixes, the code is pretty much identical.

plinkplonk 18y ago
"Were the Ruby community equally humble about their language's shortcomings," The ruby community and humble? the mind boggles ;-). more seriously, in my opinion the ruby community is (mostly) sensible. Rails seems to attract all the fanboy cult ists. Sometimes this spills over into the ruby community. If you see the latest kerfluffle over Twitter moving a bit of code from ruby to Scala most of the incoherent blabbering responses came from the rails crowd (e.g Obie Fernandez's response on his blog).
- gilesgoatboy 18y ago
  except, as always, for Giles Bowkett. he's awesome. a beacon of common sense and rationality who all Rails developers admire.
CalmQuiet 18y ago
Sorry. I should have been clearer: I don't yet know enough to evaluate all the comparisons. But it at least gets me "off the pot" to get on with a serious Ruby study.
- erlanger 18y ago
  No need to apologize, that post was directed towards the crazies in the Ruby world. Good luck studying Ruby! It's a nice language.