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This is a rehash of the aftermath of pretty much any new UI design. People dislike change itself far more than they dislike the actual change.

by gm 13y ago

aeontech 13y ago
That would be a valid point if it was a redesign of the facebook app - you can't say that here though, because it's not a redesign of an existing "Facebook Home" app, it's a completely new product.
- gm 13y ago
  But how many of the 1-star reviewers actually understand that?
  - aeontech 13y ago
    How many reviewers understand that this is a tool that they have never used before? All of them, I would imagine.
jonathanjaeger 13y ago
Very true. While people's concerns might be warranted in this case (too early to tell), the most vocal people are the ones who have the most to complain about. It's the Amazon and Yelp 1 star/5 star problem (in this case.. 1 star).
druiid 13y ago
This is pretty separate from a UI redesign. This is a new application and then an integration with the existing Facebook app. I'd say there isn't grouching about the 'redesign' so much as 'Where the eff is my Android?'. I think perhaps there has to be a barrier of some sort between the phone and the user for a Facebook 'phone/home' to really work, but there is so much of a barrier that there is literally no dialer immediately available to you. There IS however direct integration with the Facebook Messenger, which I think is how they want you to interact with contacts... sooo... yeah. I don't think the grouching is similar to when the timeline stuff happened, etc.
- smith7018 13y ago
  "I'd say there isn't grouching about the 'redesign' so much as 'Where the eff is my Android?'." People shouldn't be asking that; they're installing a launcher. Do people ask that when they install LauncherPro? I thought people generally understood that Facebook Home adds new Android-level UI features rather than just being a normal app that is launched from the app drawer?
  - druiid 13y ago
    How about this... try installing it and then come back and we'll have a discussion about it. I'm a 'power user' by far, far far, but I am pretty good about picking up on barriers to even normal users. They went too far with their 'integration'. This isn't a launcher so much as Facebook deeming to allow you to access your phone applications.
    - gm 13y ago
      lol trying to pull rank on HN on a Friday afternoon... too aggressive.
    - smith7018 13y ago
      I've installed both the pre-release leak and the one released today on my Nexus 7. Try being less of a condescending "power user" and then we could have a discussion.
      - druiid 13y ago
        Wasn't pushing the power user part to say 'Oh ho ho, I'm qualified to talk here'. I was simply adding it as a caveat that I'm not a 'normal' consumer of these kinds of things. Given that you have installed it you then saw how much it differs from the traditional android idea of a 'launcher'. It genuinely is hiding it all away. You can see the pathway that Facebook wants to push the users, essentially fully hiding the idea of having on phone contacts and messaging. That's why it's not really a launcher so much as Facebook allowing you access to your phone (IMHO).
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glenstein 13y ago
This is one thing I recall Marcos Moulitsas saying every time DailyKos underwent a redesign. His rule of thumb was no matter what, 1/3rd of the community is going to hate the redesign. That probably isn't THE rule but I think there is a real phenomenon here that hasn't yet been articulated in its clearest form.

This is a rehash of the aftermath of pretty much any new UI design. People dislike change itself far more than they dislike the actual change.

by gm 13y ago

This is a rehash of the aftermath of pretty much any new UI design. People dislike change itself far more than they dislike the actual change.

aeontech 13y ago

That would be a valid point if it was a redesign of the facebook app - you can't say that here though, because it's not a redesign of an existing "Facebook Home" app, it's a completely new product.

gm 13y ago
But how many of the 1-star reviewers actually understand that?
- aeontech 13y ago
  How many reviewers understand that this is a tool that they have never used before? All of them, I would imagine.

jonathanjaeger 13y ago

Very true. While people's concerns might be warranted in this case (too early to tell), the most vocal people are the ones who have the most to complain about. It's the Amazon and Yelp 1 star/5 star problem (in this case.. 1 star).

druiid 13y ago

This is pretty separate from a UI redesign. This is a new application and then an integration with the existing Facebook app. I'd say there isn't grouching about the 'redesign' so much as 'Where the eff is my Android?'. I think perhaps there has to be a barrier of some sort between the phone and the user for a Facebook 'phone/home' to really work, but there is so much of a barrier that there is literally no dialer immediately available to you. There IS however direct integration with the Facebook Messenger, which I think is how they want you to interact with contacts... sooo... yeah. I don't think the grouching is similar to when the timeline stuff happened, etc.

smith7018 13y ago
"I'd say there isn't grouching about the 'redesign' so much as 'Where the eff is my Android?'." People shouldn't be asking that; they're installing a launcher. Do people ask that when they install LauncherPro? I thought people generally understood that Facebook Home adds new Android-level UI features rather than just being a normal app that is launched from the app drawer?
- druiid 13y ago
  How about this... try installing it and then come back and we'll have a discussion about it. I'm a 'power user' by far, far far, but I am pretty good about picking up on barriers to even normal users. They went too far with their 'integration'. This isn't a launcher so much as Facebook deeming to allow you to access your phone applications.
  - gm 13y ago
    lol trying to pull rank on HN on a Friday afternoon... too aggressive.
  - smith7018 13y ago
    I've installed both the pre-release leak and the one released today on my Nexus 7. Try being less of a condescending "power user" and then we could have a discussion.
    - druiid 13y ago
      Wasn't pushing the power user part to say 'Oh ho ho, I'm qualified to talk here'. I was simply adding it as a caveat that I'm not a 'normal' consumer of these kinds of things. Given that you have installed it you then saw how much it differs from the traditional android idea of a 'launcher'. It genuinely is hiding it all away. You can see the pathway that Facebook wants to push the users, essentially fully hiding the idea of having on phone contacts and messaging. That's why it's not really a launcher so much as Facebook allowing you access to your phone (IMHO).
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glenstein 13y ago

This is one thing I recall Marcos Moulitsas saying every time DailyKos underwent a redesign. His rule of thumb was no matter what, 1/3rd of the community is going to hate the redesign. That probably isn't THE rule but I think there is a real phenomenon here that hasn't yet been articulated in its clearest form.