I think the "art vs. not art" discussion isn't the big thing, though. It's really more about awareness of the mechanism of a game and understanding WHY it's fu

I think the "art vs. not art" discussion isn't the big thing, though. It's really more about awareness of the mechanism of a game and understanding WHY it's fun/intriguing to humans. That brings up interesting discussions regardless of any "artistic message" - the "funness" itself is a type of artistic expression. You can see this sort of discourse about games like Ms. Pacman where people breakdown the paths of the ghosts and how it adds just enough randomness to remain endlessly intriguing (unlike regular Pacman) I think the point is we can really discuss human nature through what games people like and how they impact us. I guess that's the point of discussing art, too.