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Yes we have. Mr Poole "contacted" us: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20408037 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20408037

alanctgardner2 14y ago
I don't know much about Mr Poole's personal politics, but based on the nature of 4chan it seems pretty hypocritical of him to run to the legal system over someone using an English language word for their product name. "Yeah, anarchy! Wait, I can't have everything my way?"
DanBC 14y ago
It was a very simple question - have you sorted out the legal issues or not? His lawyers sent you a C&D; you responded to that C&D and now you've launched. Considering he's been known as moot since 2003, and is known by millions of people as moot, and has a strong link to online discussion forums, I'd think he has an excellent case. Since, apart from his name, the primary meaning of moot is "closed to debate" (not "open to debate"; you're welcome to provide examples of "moot point" where the meaning is "open to debate" and not "closed to debate") it seems like a weird choice of name.
- tipiirai 14y ago
  We've sorted it out. We found out that there is no case.
  - idm 14y ago
    As DanBC pointed out, "moot" means the opposite of "open to debate." Honestly, I think Moot is kindof silly for sending the letter in the first place, but he's totally right that your name (moot.it) will cause confusion. Add me to the list of people who thought "Moot.it" meant "Poole." If Moot were trademarked by 4chan (now there's a laughable proposition), there really would be a case - and a pretty strong one, at that. As it is, I imagine you're right that Moot has no real case against Moot.it, but it also sounds like the letter made no specific C&D demands. I imagine your product can rise above this based on its merit, but you gotta acknowledge the subtle trolling inherent in the name. I understand why you can't publicly acknowledge this, but it's there anyway.
    - tipiirai 14y ago
      There is definitely a subtte trolling factor on our name, no reason to hide it. But it does not affect to the fact that moot.it is a damn good name for a product like ours. In case we get popular (which might be the case considering the title of this Hacker News post) this trolling factor will decease. Speaking strictly about the branding I really think it doesn't matter whether the inherent meaning is closed or open. Product naming is an art form and it doesn't have to be realistic. I hope we can use Moot successfully on our issue tracker http://moot.it/issues http://moot.it/issues So we can "close the debate" on those moots :)
- gruseom 14y ago
  "Moot" is one of those words whose meaning has evolved to contradict itself [1]. Certainly its primary dictionary definition is "open to debate" [2,3]. Plus the word derives from Old English for "meeting" and is cognate with modern English "meet" [4]. So the Finns do have a case. But it's a weak case, because (as you imply) that original meaning has been obsolete for a long time, and in modern English people only use "moot" to mean "not worth debating". According to [4], "moot" began its pivot in the 16th century when law students used the word for practice debates where they would argue about mock issues—things that didn't really matter—in order to hone their skills. Hmm, but then it is internet forum software, isn't it? "Arguing about things that don't matter" might be a perfect match! 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym 2. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot 3. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot 4. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=moot&searchmode=none http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&s...

alanctgardner2 14y ago

I don't know much about Mr Poole's personal politics, but based on the nature of 4chan it seems pretty hypocritical of him to run to the legal system over someone using an English language word for their product name. "Yeah, anarchy! Wait, I can't have everything my way?"

DanBC 14y ago

It was a very simple question - have you sorted out the legal issues or not? His lawyers sent you a C&D; you responded to that C&D and now you've launched. Considering he's been known as moot since 2003, and is known by millions of people as moot, and has a strong link to online discussion forums, I'd think he has an excellent case. Since, apart from his name, the primary meaning of moot is "closed to debate" (not "open to debate"; you're welcome to provide examples of "moot point" where the meaning is "open to debate" and not "closed to debate") it seems like a weird choice of name.

tipiirai 14y ago
We've sorted it out. We found out that there is no case.
- idm 14y ago
  As DanBC pointed out, "moot" means the opposite of "open to debate." Honestly, I think Moot is kindof silly for sending the letter in the first place, but he's totally right that your name (moot.it) will cause confusion. Add me to the list of people who thought "Moot.it" meant "Poole." If Moot were trademarked by 4chan (now there's a laughable proposition), there really would be a case - and a pretty strong one, at that. As it is, I imagine you're right that Moot has no real case against Moot.it, but it also sounds like the letter made no specific C&D demands. I imagine your product can rise above this based on its merit, but you gotta acknowledge the subtle trolling inherent in the name. I understand why you can't publicly acknowledge this, but it's there anyway.
  - tipiirai 14y ago
    There is definitely a subtte trolling factor on our name, no reason to hide it. But it does not affect to the fact that moot.it is a damn good name for a product like ours. In case we get popular (which might be the case considering the title of this Hacker News post) this trolling factor will decease. Speaking strictly about the branding I really think it doesn't matter whether the inherent meaning is closed or open. Product naming is an art form and it doesn't have to be realistic. I hope we can use Moot successfully on our issue tracker http://moot.it/issues http://moot.it/issues So we can "close the debate" on those moots :)
gruseom 14y ago
"Moot" is one of those words whose meaning has evolved to contradict itself [1]. Certainly its primary dictionary definition is "open to debate" [2,3]. Plus the word derives from Old English for "meeting" and is cognate with modern English "meet" [4]. So the Finns do have a case. But it's a weak case, because (as you imply) that original meaning has been obsolete for a long time, and in modern English people only use "moot" to mean "not worth debating". According to [4], "moot" began its pivot in the 16th century when law students used the word for practice debates where they would argue about mock issues—things that didn't really matter—in order to hone their skills. Hmm, but then it is internet forum software, isn't it? "Arguing about things that don't matter" might be a perfect match! 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto-antonym 2. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/moot 3. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/moot 4. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=moot&searchmode=none http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&s...