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If you didn't know, long ago in the 90's there was a kerfuffle between the Apache Nation (Native Americans) and the Apache software project over the ownership o

by jcr 14y ago

If you didn't know, long ago in the 90's there was a kerfuffle between the Apache Nation (Native Americans) and the Apache software project over the ownership of the "apache.org" domain name. Needless to say, the project won and retained the domain. If the software project actually had any respect for the Native American Apache tribe, then they would have given the domain name to the tribe/nation.

withoutthis 14y ago
But they owned it first. Or are you trying to steal JCR.org ?
protomyth 14y ago
I get the feeling that some of the tribes are getting much more tech and IP savvy. At some point, some of these projects are going to get served WTO complaints. Particulary if they change their websites to put up revised histories. Regardless, it is a scummy practice and obscures searches.
pjscott 14y ago
What practical purpose would that serve, other than breaking a bunch of links?
- protomyth 14y ago
  Why the desire to change college team names to something other than Native American names? Why shouldn't they get to use their name on the web?
- jcr 14y ago
  It's a fair question. In 1995/96 when the kerfuffle went down, the number links on web were nothing by today's standard. Heck, I remember reading discussion surrounding the disagreement on usenet, and at the time, the web was still fairly new. The main issue I wanted to point out is how their revisionist history is entirely disingenuous, and their refusal to give the domain to the Apache Nation pretty much proves the level of respect they really have for the Native American tribe. As a person with the first name of "John" I'm certainly aware of how easy it is for a single name to be shared, but sadly, domain names don't work that way. Oddly enough, it seems someone has edited wikipedia to match the revisionist history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server
  - withoutthis 14y ago
    It states clearly right here what it stood for: http://web.archive.org/web/19970415054031/www.apache.org/info.html http://web.archive.org/web/19970415054031/www.apache.org/inf... Why is it called Apache? The Apache group was formed around a number of people who provided patch files that had been written for NCSA httpd 1.3. The result after combining them was A PAtCHy server. Give up trying your hardest to be offended.
    - Botono 14y ago
      Yes, it clearly states that on a snapshot of their old web site. They are now going around and changing that information on current web sites. Hence the cries of "revisionist". In fact, their current site says that the "A PAtCHy" version is incorrect, in spite of the snapshot you linked. "Secondarily, and more popularly (though incorrectly) accepted, it's a considered cute name which stuck. Apache is "A PAtCHy server"." http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ#Why_the_name_.22Apache.22.3F http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ#Why_the_name_.22Apache.22.3...
mtdewcmu 14y ago
Gosh. Yet another insult in a long history of insults.

by jcr 14y ago

withoutthis 14y ago

But they owned it first. Or are you trying to steal JCR.org ?

protomyth 14y ago

I get the feeling that some of the tribes are getting much more tech and IP savvy. At some point, some of these projects are going to get served WTO complaints. Particulary if they change their websites to put up revised histories. Regardless, it is a scummy practice and obscures searches.

pjscott 14y ago

What practical purpose would that serve, other than breaking a bunch of links?

protomyth 14y ago
Why the desire to change college team names to something other than Native American names? Why shouldn't they get to use their name on the web?
jcr 14y ago
It's a fair question. In 1995/96 when the kerfuffle went down, the number links on web were nothing by today's standard. Heck, I remember reading discussion surrounding the disagreement on usenet, and at the time, the web was still fairly new. The main issue I wanted to point out is how their revisionist history is entirely disingenuous, and their refusal to give the domain to the Apache Nation pretty much proves the level of respect they really have for the Native American tribe. As a person with the first name of "John" I'm certainly aware of how easy it is for a single name to be shared, but sadly, domain names don't work that way. Oddly enough, it seems someone has edited wikipedia to match the revisionist history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_HTTP_Server
- withoutthis 14y ago
  It states clearly right here what it stood for: http://web.archive.org/web/19970415054031/www.apache.org/info.html http://web.archive.org/web/19970415054031/www.apache.org/inf... Why is it called Apache? The Apache group was formed around a number of people who provided patch files that had been written for NCSA httpd 1.3. The result after combining them was A PAtCHy server. Give up trying your hardest to be offended.
  - Botono 14y ago
    Yes, it clearly states that on a snapshot of their old web site. They are now going around and changing that information on current web sites. Hence the cries of "revisionist". In fact, their current site says that the "A PAtCHy" version is incorrect, in spite of the snapshot you linked. "Secondarily, and more popularly (though incorrectly) accepted, it's a considered cute name which stuck. Apache is "A PAtCHy server"." http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ#Why_the_name_.22Apache.22.3F http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/FAQ#Why_the_name_.22Apache.22.3...

mtdewcmu 14y ago

Gosh. Yet another insult in a long history of insults.