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Your ability to retire is tied to your financial situation. What does that have to do with the government?

by hifier 14y ago

dllthomas 14y ago
A sizable chunk of our paychecks have been stripped away over the years, with the promise of a return after the governmentally decreed retirement age. Therefore, our financial situation has something to do with the government when it comes to retirement. It's quite possible that we can retire earlier or must wait until later in spite of this, but it's a clear and frequently unavoidable connection for most of us in at least the US and I think most other developed countries have something similar.
- hifier 14y ago
  This is getting a bit off topic, but agreed it's a factor. My point is mostly about the mindset. You don't have to wait until some government prescribed age to do what you want. We make our own future.
  - dllthomas 14y ago
    Agreed. People should do actual financial planning based on their actual situation.
kyllo 14y ago
And your financial situation is, for many people, tied to your age because pensions, 401(k)s/IRAs and the like offer tax exemptions that are conditional upon waiting until you hit a certain age before collecting distributions. If you withdraw early from a retirement account, you face something like a 10% haircut in addition to the income taxes. If your money is outside of such a tax shelter, well then you just need more of it to retire because you have to pay income tax plus capital gains tax.
- gknoy 14y ago
  I think his point was that, for at least some of the readers here, the goal of "retire early" means that one has enough wealth that even without tax breaks, one has the resources to live or work or play as you see fit -- whether that means continuing to start new companies, or raising llamas.
  - kyllo 14y ago
    I know what his point was. I was just pointing out that when you retire, for most people, does have something to do with your age and with the government, because the government offers tax shelters that are tied to your age, and these are what most people use to fund their retirement. Of course if you're rich enough, you can just pay the taxes and still be rich enough. But that's a circular argument. The point is, the bar for "rich enough to retire" is much higher the younger you are--and not just because you have more years of life ahead of you, but also because of the taxes.

Your ability to retire is tied to your financial situation. What does that have to do with the government?

by hifier 14y ago

Your ability to retire is tied to your financial situation. What does that have to do with the government?

A sizable chunk of our paychecks have been stripped away over the years, with the promise of a return after the governmentally decreed retirement age. Therefore, our financial situation has something to do with the government when it comes to retirement. It's quite possible that we can retire earlier or must wait until later in spite of this, but it's a clear and frequently unavoidable connection for most of us in at least the US and I think most other developed countries have something similar.

hifier 14y ago
This is getting a bit off topic, but agreed it's a factor. My point is mostly about the mindset. You don't have to wait until some government prescribed age to do what you want. We make our own future.
- dllthomas 14y ago
  Agreed. People should do actual financial planning based on their actual situation.

kyllo 14y ago

And your financial situation is, for many people, tied to your age because pensions, 401(k)s/IRAs and the like offer tax exemptions that are conditional upon waiting until you hit a certain age before collecting distributions. If you withdraw early from a retirement account, you face something like a 10% haircut in addition to the income taxes. If your money is outside of such a tax shelter, well then you just need more of it to retire because you have to pay income tax plus capital gains tax.

gknoy 14y ago
I think his point was that, for at least some of the readers here, the goal of "retire early" means that one has enough wealth that even without tax breaks, one has the resources to live or work or play as you see fit -- whether that means continuing to start new companies, or raising llamas.
- kyllo 14y ago
  I know what his point was. I was just pointing out that when you retire, for most people, does have something to do with your age and with the government, because the government offers tax shelters that are tied to your age, and these are what most people use to fund their retirement. Of course if you're rich enough, you can just pay the taxes and still be rich enough. But that's a circular argument. The point is, the bar for "rich enough to retire" is much higher the younger you are--and not just because you have more years of life ahead of you, but also because of the taxes.