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So... you ran a Java applet on a domain with mtgox in its name and didn't make sure that site is owned by MtGox? I'm sorry for your loss but what happened is y

by dreen 14y ago

So... you ran a Java applet on a domain with mtgox in its name and didn't make sure that site is owned by MtGox? I'm sorry for your loss but what happened is your own fault entirely and I would be surprised if MtGox decides to refund you.

andyhmltn 14y ago
That is true. 1) You really shouldn't be running java applets unless you are certain you want to. I have had Java disabled for about a year and have only seen a page that required it once. 2) The domain name should've been a dead giveaway 3) Why would MtGox refund it? You got your money stolen by someone else. It's not MtGox's fault at all.
- relix 14y ago
  One would expect a certain level of security measures for a site that directly influences your financial situation. Most CRUD applications require you to put in your old password when changing your new one. Apparently you can actually trade coins away from your account without typing your password on MtGox. That's just ridiculously unsecured.
  - sneak 14y ago
    No.
  - andyhmltn 14y ago
    I don't think that'd solve the problem though. His password was stolen. So the hacker had the password and entering it twice would be the same barrier as entering it once.
burntsushi 14y ago
> I would be surprised if MtGox decides to refund you I agree that MtGox shouldn't be doing any kind of refunding in this case. > what happened is your own fault entirely You're blaming the victim. If I'm walking down a dark alley and someone pulls a gun on me and takes my wallet, is it my fault because I decided to walk down a dark alley? Not at all. The only person at fault here is the cracker who perpetrated the scam. The only thing you can say about the victim in this case is that they aren't very sensible. Just like walking down dark alleys might not be sensible. But it's not the OP's fault that someone stole something from him.
- sequoia 14y ago
  +-------------------------------------------------------+ | SECURITY WARNING! | | You are attempting to walk down a dark alley, | | which could be dangerous. Only walk down | | dark alleys you are familiar with and trust. | | By walking down this alley you assume responsibility | | for the attendant risks. | | | | Do you still wish to walk down the dark alley? | | [x] Yes [ ] Cancel | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Perhaps a better phrasing that "your own fault" is "it was 100% in his power to prevent this from happening. He is responsible for the fact that it happened."
  - deleted 14y ago
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  - mikeash 14y ago
    Fault and blame is not zero-sum, a point many people seem to miss. Realizing that the victim has some (and he certainly does here, and in many other cases) does not in any way reduce what attaches to the perpetrator.
- dreen 14y ago
  Will you demand compensation from your local authorities because they did not prevent you walking into a dark alley?
  - burntsushi 14y ago
    I'll re-quote the first sentence of my post: > I agree that MtGox shouldn't be doing any kind of refunding in this case. You didn't respond to my central point: blaming the victim.
    - Karunamon 14y ago
      >You didn't respond to my central point: blaming the victim. Your central point is without merit. The "victim" is a victim, not of MtGox, but their own poor decisions.

by dreen 14y ago

andyhmltn 14y ago

That is true. 1) You really shouldn't be running java applets unless you are certain you want to. I have had Java disabled for about a year and have only seen a page that required it once. 2) The domain name should've been a dead giveaway 3) Why would MtGox refund it? You got your money stolen by someone else. It's not MtGox's fault at all.

relix 14y ago
One would expect a certain level of security measures for a site that directly influences your financial situation. Most CRUD applications require you to put in your old password when changing your new one. Apparently you can actually trade coins away from your account without typing your password on MtGox. That's just ridiculously unsecured.
- sneak 14y ago
  No.
- andyhmltn 14y ago
  I don't think that'd solve the problem though. His password was stolen. So the hacker had the password and entering it twice would be the same barrier as entering it once.

burntsushi 14y ago

> I would be surprised if MtGox decides to refund you I agree that MtGox shouldn't be doing any kind of refunding in this case. > what happened is your own fault entirely You're blaming the victim. If I'm walking down a dark alley and someone pulls a gun on me and takes my wallet, is it my fault because I decided to walk down a dark alley? Not at all. The only person at fault here is the cracker who perpetrated the scam. The only thing you can say about the victim in this case is that they aren't very sensible. Just like walking down dark alleys might not be sensible. But it's not the OP's fault that someone stole something from him.

sequoia 14y ago
+-------------------------------------------------------+ | SECURITY WARNING! | | You are attempting to walk down a dark alley, | | which could be dangerous. Only walk down | | dark alleys you are familiar with and trust. | | By walking down this alley you assume responsibility | | for the attendant risks. | | | | Do you still wish to walk down the dark alley? | | [x] Yes [ ] Cancel | +-------------------------------------------------------+ Perhaps a better phrasing that "your own fault" is "it was 100% in his power to prevent this from happening. He is responsible for the fact that it happened."
- deleted 14y ago
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- mikeash 14y ago
  Fault and blame is not zero-sum, a point many people seem to miss. Realizing that the victim has some (and he certainly does here, and in many other cases) does not in any way reduce what attaches to the perpetrator.
dreen 14y ago
Will you demand compensation from your local authorities because they did not prevent you walking into a dark alley?
- burntsushi 14y ago
  I'll re-quote the first sentence of my post: > I agree that MtGox shouldn't be doing any kind of refunding in this case. You didn't respond to my central point: blaming the victim.
  - Karunamon 14y ago
    >You didn't respond to my central point: blaming the victim. Your central point is without merit. The "victim" is a victim, not of MtGox, but their own poor decisions.