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The difference between us is this: You see something that sickens you and publicly blame and shame others for the mess. I see something sickening and I am tryin

The difference between us is this: You see something that sickens you and publicly blame and shame others for the mess. I see something sickening and I am trying to clean it up.

tdavis 18y ago
I commend you for that, though I have no desire to clean up the messes of others. What would you have me do? Learn Ruby and start rewriting modules? Teach proper metaprogramming to the ignorant masses? The first step to fixing a problem, in this case, is conving people they have one. I'm throwing my hat into that ring.
- raganwald 18y ago
  Actually, I was just trying to pretend that I'm a kindly old wise man that everybody likes for his civic-minded attention to duty. In reality, I'm just as disgusted as you are and the post title says it all. It's true that Ruby should provide better tools. But it's also true that a lot of what goes on is avoidable and there's nothing wrong with you pointing that out.
  - shiranaihito 18y ago
    a lot of what goes on is avoidable and there's nothing wrong with you pointing that out Alright, so why the "(you) publicly blame and shame others for the mess" then?
plinkplonk 18y ago
"The difference between us is this: You see something that sickens you and publicly blame and shame others for the mess. I see something sickening and I am trying to clean it up." I am not sure if I am reading this right, but there seems to be abit of a moralizing tone there. "The difference between us is you [ do something slightly slimy] , I [ do something very noble]". At least that's the way it reads to me. I am not sure in a discussion of a technical issue there is much of a difference in practice. Why is "this is sucky" not acceptable unless one has spent significant time trying to clean it up? Edit : Retracted after reading "Actually, I was just trying to pretend that I'm a kindly old wise man that everybody likes for his civic-minded attention to duty. In reality, I'm just as disgusted as you are and the post title says it all.". I thought I'll leave it up here as a warning not others not to read too much into something.

The difference between us is this: You see something that sickens you and publicly blame and shame others for the mess. I see something sickening and I am trying to clean it up.

tdavis 18y ago

I commend you for that, though I have no desire to clean up the messes of others. What would you have me do? Learn Ruby and start rewriting modules? Teach proper metaprogramming to the ignorant masses? The first step to fixing a problem, in this case, is conving people they have one. I'm throwing my hat into that ring.

raganwald 18y ago
Actually, I was just trying to pretend that I'm a kindly old wise man that everybody likes for his civic-minded attention to duty. In reality, I'm just as disgusted as you are and the post title says it all. It's true that Ruby should provide better tools. But it's also true that a lot of what goes on is avoidable and there's nothing wrong with you pointing that out.
- shiranaihito 18y ago
  a lot of what goes on is avoidable and there's nothing wrong with you pointing that out Alright, so why the "(you) publicly blame and shame others for the mess" then?

plinkplonk 18y ago

"The difference between us is this: You see something that sickens you and publicly blame and shame others for the mess. I see something sickening and I am trying to clean it up." I am not sure if I am reading this right, but there seems to be abit of a moralizing tone there. "The difference between us is you [ do something slightly slimy] , I [ do something very noble]". At least that's the way it reads to me. I am not sure in a discussion of a technical issue there is much of a difference in practice. Why is "this is sucky" not acceptable unless one has spent significant time trying to clean it up? Edit : Retracted after reading "Actually, I was just trying to pretend that I'm a kindly old wise man that everybody likes for his civic-minded attention to duty. In reality, I'm just as disgusted as you are and the post title says it all.". I thought I'll leave it up here as a warning not others not to read too much into something.