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In recent times I've gotten the impression that their is a double standard going on regarding certain (not all) services and events that are only targeted to wo

by antr 14y ago

In recent times I've gotten the impression that their is a double standard going on regarding certain (not all) services and events that are only targeted to women. If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose.

speeder 14y ago
There are a couple of schools around the world targeted at men, or women... One very interesting thing, is that schools targeted at women are seem as "traditional" and "bastions" or "empowering", specially if they are ancient and do have good education... Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors" If this was a US-only phenomenon, at least I would feel less troubled, except even in Brazil we had a crazy problem... During the government ranking of high schools (that is made with a test that all high schools students in the country must take if they wish to join university), the first place was a boys-only school. This is a problem, because it drew attention to them, now there are all sorts of discrimination lawsuits from parents of girls, and the media is bellowing how "less worse" they are, because they accept female teachers, and that when they did not accepted them they were evil, and now that they do they are less evil, but that this would be only a truly good school when they start accepting girls and change some of their authoritarian ways and become more tolerating and egalitarian. Or some issue with bars... Female only bars in Brazil are allowed and seen as a female fun thing. Male only bars get the cops quickly called on them for refusing entry of costumer based on gender. (Female-only are illegal too, but cops ignore it). Or one even crazier, it is common to employers to want to hire one gender or other (for example they might want a woman to be the maintenance person of the women's bathroom), yet although signs of "hiring female x" don't attract problems, if you put a sign like "hiring male bathroom cleaner" you get quickly sued for hiring discrimination (that is illegal). I even had a business owner once complain that a woman sued him (and almost won... a judge chance that allowed he win the case) for not hiring her as attendant in a store for male intimate clothing... The first judge saw it purely in the light of law: you cannot discriminate, period. the second judge had more common sense on his head and imaginated that it would bring even more legal problems to have a woman hanging around men that might want to become naked (or almost naked depending on store policy regarding trying intimate clothes) to choose his new clothes...
- mkr-hn 14y ago
  > Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors" Which school?
  - duaneb 14y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_colleges_in_the_United_States#Traditional_institutions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_colleges_in_the_United_Sta... EDIT: I can't comment as to the criticism; I haven't heard any.
    - jiggy2011 14y ago
      He appears to be from brazil, maybe there are some there.
  - speeder 14y ago
    One particular that I can remember is this: http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/my-dream-college-wont-accept-me-because-im-a-woman/267290/ http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/my-dream-co... Just read the comments related to this subject, and you will see what I mean (lots of attack on them because the wish to remain male only)
- newnewnew 14y ago
  You've discovered Marxism! Marxism views the world through the lens of class conflict. In Marxist thought, racism and sexism can only be committed by dominant groups. So blatant discrimination and double standards against them are okay.
shanelja 14y ago
The problem in this case is that in the same way women are most often the recipients of sexual discrimination, men are most often the recipient of being decried as sexual discriminators. It's so easy to look down on someone identifying as male as being discriminant but when the opposite is true, the male point of view is often ignored. Simply put, we are expected to man up, whereas women are expected to stand up.
- wpietri 14y ago
  I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost just for being born with a dick, I'm ok with manning up. To me, that's part of using my power to redress the imbalance.
  - coldtea 14y ago
    >Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Yes, so let's reverse it, and get a female-biased revenge ...on people that weren't even alive back at those times. Why not also sell white people as slaves?
    - wpietri 14y ago
      You're doing it wrong. If you want to Godwin a thread, you actually have to mention Hitler or the Holocaust. Just making ridiculously over-the-top historical analogies isn't enough.
      - coldtea 14y ago
        I'm the one doing it wrong? The parent mentioned that discrimination is OK because of "historical analogies" drawn from past centuries. I merely extended it to another domain for sarcasm's sake. Second, you DO know that "Godwin's law" is not an actual law that govern's discussions, and it's not even something that people agree on its validity, right? It's merely a BS internet meme, a funny quote used as a joke. Invoking it is like invoking made up statistics as an argument.
rthomas6 14y ago
Someone should make Lolo and find out.
kmfrk 14y ago
For better and for worse; the coverage of apps targeting women usually portrays women as hapless damsels in distress to whose rescue we must come through outrage and this and that. The increased outrage is not necessarily something that automatically favours the sex it purports to defend. One could argue that people care more about women than men, but one could also argue that women need to be defended more than men, which flips the discussion of sexism or gender-favouritism on its head. But generally, I definitely find there to be a gendered response, depending on the target demographic.
_pmf_ 14y ago
> If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose. Google "Black Book Apps". There should be hundreds of them, I assume.
ameister14 14y ago
Nah, it just probably wouldn't have been funded.
BerislavLopac 14y ago
Which is nicely summed up in this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/SxBdnmvo5xI/AAAAAAAABrA/uqdnkK1WVUw/s1600/Twilight+Moms.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/SxBdnmvo5xI/AAAAAAAABr...
- mindstab 14y ago
  like most models? many advertising agencies use minors on their "sexy" ads that are specifically targeted to arouse men of all ages. You just don't see it but men are all over younger girls.
lopatin 14y ago
This comes pretty close though. http://www.pikinis.com http://www.pikinis.com An iPhone app that finds bikini photos of your Facebook friends

by antr 14y ago

speeder 14y ago

There are a couple of schools around the world targeted at men, or women... One very interesting thing, is that schools targeted at women are seem as "traditional" and "bastions" or "empowering", specially if they are ancient and do have good education... Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors" If this was a US-only phenomenon, at least I would feel less troubled, except even in Brazil we had a crazy problem... During the government ranking of high schools (that is made with a test that all high schools students in the country must take if they wish to join university), the first place was a boys-only school. This is a problem, because it drew attention to them, now there are all sorts of discrimination lawsuits from parents of girls, and the media is bellowing how "less worse" they are, because they accept female teachers, and that when they did not accepted them they were evil, and now that they do they are less evil, but that this would be only a truly good school when they start accepting girls and change some of their authoritarian ways and become more tolerating and egalitarian. Or some issue with bars... Female only bars in Brazil are allowed and seen as a female fun thing. Male only bars get the cops quickly called on them for refusing entry of costumer based on gender. (Female-only are illegal too, but cops ignore it). Or one even crazier, it is common to employers to want to hire one gender or other (for example they might want a woman to be the maintenance person of the women's bathroom), yet although signs of "hiring female x" don't attract problems, if you put a sign like "hiring male bathroom cleaner" you get quickly sued for hiring discrimination (that is illegal). I even had a business owner once complain that a woman sued him (and almost won... a judge chance that allowed he win the case) for not hiring her as attendant in a store for male intimate clothing... The first judge saw it purely in the light of law: you cannot discriminate, period. the second judge had more common sense on his head and imaginated that it would bring even more legal problems to have a woman hanging around men that might want to become naked (or almost naked depending on store policy regarding trying intimate clothes) to choose his new clothes...

mkr-hn 14y ago
> Men schools, once regarded in the same way, are now being attacked, one of the best schools in the US for example is being sued for not taking female students, and a common tag attached to them is "Backwards" or "medieval" or "inquisitors" Which school?
- duaneb 14y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_colleges_in_the_United_States#Traditional_institutions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mens_colleges_in_the_United_Sta... EDIT: I can't comment as to the criticism; I haven't heard any.
  - jiggy2011 14y ago
    He appears to be from brazil, maybe there are some there.
- speeder 14y ago
  One particular that I can remember is this: http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/my-dream-college-wont-accept-me-because-im-a-woman/267290/ http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/my-dream-co... Just read the comments related to this subject, and you will see what I mean (lots of attack on them because the wish to remain male only)
newnewnew 14y ago
You've discovered Marxism! Marxism views the world through the lens of class conflict. In Marxist thought, racism and sexism can only be committed by dominant groups. So blatant discrimination and double standards against them are okay.

shanelja 14y ago

The problem in this case is that in the same way women are most often the recipients of sexual discrimination, men are most often the recipient of being decried as sexual discriminators. It's so easy to look down on someone identifying as male as being discriminant but when the opposite is true, the male point of view is often ignored. Simply put, we are expected to man up, whereas women are expected to stand up.

wpietri 14y ago
I don't think it's quite as dramatic as you say. But personally I'm ok with it. Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Like Peter Parker and Voltaire say, "With great power comes great responsibility." Having received a substantial boost just for being born with a dick, I'm ok with manning up. To me, that's part of using my power to redress the imbalance.
- coldtea 14y ago
  >Men have been getting the good end of sexual discrimination for centuries. Owning property. Voting. Higher education. Being allowed to practice a profession. Being favored by marriage laws. Being favored by social biases. Yes, so let's reverse it, and get a female-biased revenge ...on people that weren't even alive back at those times. Why not also sell white people as slaves?
  - wpietri 14y ago
    You're doing it wrong. If you want to Godwin a thread, you actually have to mention Hitler or the Holocaust. Just making ridiculously over-the-top historical analogies isn't enough.
    - coldtea 14y ago
      I'm the one doing it wrong? The parent mentioned that discrimination is OK because of "historical analogies" drawn from past centuries. I merely extended it to another domain for sarcasm's sake. Second, you DO know that "Godwin's law" is not an actual law that govern's discussions, and it's not even something that people agree on its validity, right? It's merely a BS internet meme, a funny quote used as a joke. Invoking it is like invoking made up statistics as an argument.

rthomas6 14y ago

Someone should make Lolo and find out.

kmfrk 14y ago

For better and for worse; the coverage of apps targeting women usually portrays women as hapless damsels in distress to whose rescue we must come through outrage and this and that. The increased outrage is not necessarily something that automatically favours the sex it purports to defend. One could argue that people care more about women than men, but one could also argue that women need to be defended more than men, which flips the discussion of sexism or gender-favouritism on its head. But generally, I definitely find there to be a gendered response, depending on the target demographic.

_pmf_ 14y ago

> If this had been an app for men rating and alerting them about certain women all hell would of broke loose. Google "Black Book Apps". There should be hundreds of them, I assume.

ameister14 14y ago

Nah, it just probably wouldn't have been funded.

BerislavLopac 14y ago

Which is nicely summed up in this image: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/SxBdnmvo5xI/AAAAAAAABrA/uqdnkK1WVUw/s1600/Twilight+Moms.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_zNnqH9km2FI/SxBdnmvo5xI/AAAAAAAABr...

mindstab 14y ago
like most models? many advertising agencies use minors on their "sexy" ads that are specifically targeted to arouse men of all ages. You just don't see it but men are all over younger girls.

lopatin 14y ago

This comes pretty close though. http://www.pikinis.com http://www.pikinis.com An iPhone app that finds bikini photos of your Facebook friends