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1: The software is closed source. How can we tell if the camera is working correctly at catching speeders? 2: Red light camera dramatically increase slam_on_br

by kefka 14y ago

1: The software is closed source. How can we tell if the camera is working correctly at catching speeders? 2: Red light camera dramatically increase slam_on_breaks at yellow=>red lights and cause accidents. 3: If a light is malfunctioning, there is little way the camera knows. 4 way stop means everyone gets a ticket. 4: Some red light cameras will detect oncoming traffic at night and turn red to entice person to run light (at completely empty intersection). 5: Red ligt cameras do not increase safety. They do increase income, via taxation from tickets.

pc86 14y ago
1. I'll agree with you on this. It would make sense for the software to be open source. 2. This is something I hadn't thought of and curiously nobody had said anything to me prior. To me, this is a big negative (not necessarily a show stopper). 3. In my jurisdiction any citations like this need to be reviewed by a police officer. Obviously you're not going to be issuing citations when a light is out and it would be trivial to fight. This is an implementation issue but not one with the technology. 4. Source? Regardless this seems more like an issue with a specific brand and not the technology. 5. One of the sibling posts here mentioned a study to this effect that I haven't gotten a chance to take a look at yet.
jbigelow76 14y ago
>4: Some red light cameras will detect oncoming traffic at night and turn red to entice person to run light (at completely empty intersection). Do you have a source for that? I'm as cynical as the next guy about the motivations for red light cameras but that just sounds like paranoia.
- kefka 14y ago
  Th source, unfortunately, was a link from HN a few years ago. IIRC it was either Phoenix, AZ or somewhere around that area that started playing with reactive red light cameras. Essentially, it would watch for speeders prior to the intersection, and it would turn red before you could legcally cross the intersection. Then, it would ding you for a RLV.
  - vacri 14y ago
    That's an abuse of power problem, not an issue with RLC per se.

by kefka 14y ago

pc86 14y ago

1. I'll agree with you on this. It would make sense for the software to be open source. 2. This is something I hadn't thought of and curiously nobody had said anything to me prior. To me, this is a big negative (not necessarily a show stopper). 3. In my jurisdiction any citations like this need to be reviewed by a police officer. Obviously you're not going to be issuing citations when a light is out and it would be trivial to fight. This is an implementation issue but not one with the technology. 4. Source? Regardless this seems more like an issue with a specific brand and not the technology. 5. One of the sibling posts here mentioned a study to this effect that I haven't gotten a chance to take a look at yet.

jbigelow76 14y ago

>4: Some red light cameras will detect oncoming traffic at night and turn red to entice person to run light (at completely empty intersection). Do you have a source for that? I'm as cynical as the next guy about the motivations for red light cameras but that just sounds like paranoia.

kefka 14y ago
Th source, unfortunately, was a link from HN a few years ago. IIRC it was either Phoenix, AZ or somewhere around that area that started playing with reactive red light cameras. Essentially, it would watch for speeders prior to the intersection, and it would turn red before you could legcally cross the intersection. Then, it would ding you for a RLV.
- vacri 14y ago
  That's an abuse of power problem, not an issue with RLC per se.