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Which is a violation of the OS X EULA. install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system

by mdmarra 14y ago

Which is a violation of the OS X EULA. install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using OS X Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf B.2.iii

brodney 14y ago
The way that reads it seems valid to create a virtual instance of osx for development.
- tesmar2 14y ago
  As long as you are already on Apple hardware running Apple software
- mdmarra 14y ago
  Only if you're running it on top of OS X using something like VMware Fusion.
w1ntermute 14y ago
When was the last time a developer got sued for violating the OS X EULA? Start worrying about real world problems for a change.
- eridius 14y ago
  Oh, so just because you don't get sued for it means you should go ahead and do something illegal?
  - krichman 14y ago
    I don't know if breaking a contract or EULA is strictly illegal.
  - beedogs 14y ago
    [citation needed] that breaking a EULA is illegal.
- mdmarra 14y ago
  Just so I'm clear, where is the list of which ToS and EULAs are OK to break and which ones aren't? AppGratis seems to have gotten boned for violating one, yet you're advocating people break another in the same thread? Sure, the odds of Apple coming after you are low. But that doesn't mean that it's any less of a violation of the license agreement that you agree to when installing the software. AppGratis also thought they were in the clear with their ToS issue.
  - CamperBob2 14y ago
    Here are the ones that it's not OK to break: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text Here are the ones that it is OK to break: (Most of the rest)
  - w1ntermute 14y ago
    Isn't it obvious? It's OK to violate the EULA if there's no chance of them catching you, and if other people haven't been caught before. No end user has ever been caught or sued by Apple for running OS X in a VM, because that's not easily detectable and Apple doesn't care about it. But stories of App Store EULA violation nightmares are a dime a dozen. TL;DR use your common sense
  - mikeash 14y ago
    EULAs are crap, as they attempt to tell me what I'm allowed to do with an entity that I own. Once the transaction is complete, we're done, and the creator doesn't get to control what I do, beyond the restrictions laid out in copyright law. If I violate a EULA, the creator has no recourse but to sue, and they'll be suing me for taking legal actions with my own property. A ToS, on the other hand, lays out terms for the ongoing use of a service. If I violate the ToS, the service provider is within their rights to decline to provide me service. They're within their rights to do that anyway for nearly any reason they feel like, because this is an ongoing relationship and I don't have them enslaved. Beyond that, they could also sue, at which point things get a bit murky. There's nothing wrong with breaking a EULA, and their legal enforceability is worrying. There's also nothing wrong with a service provider terminating service when a user breaks a ToS, which is what happened here. There's no inconsistency.
myko 14y ago
Would this hold up in court? It seems laughable upon reading it.
- mdmarra 14y ago
  Depends on your locality. In some countries/states/cities, EULAs are utterly unenforceable. In others, they might have a legitimate case.
- dsl 14y ago
  "You can only run our software on our hardware" has already held up in courts. It's been a few years, but I think it was Allen Bradley or Siemens.
guelo 14y ago
I can legally run Windows on my Mac or Linux boxes but I can't run OS X anywhere besides an official Mac. To which I say, get bent Apple, I have work to do. BTW, I'm sure all Apple Boot Camp and Parallels users pay the $250 Microsoft license, NOT.
pi18n 14y ago
If I didn't have an Apple computer and sorely needed one I would probably use http://www.macincloud.com/ http://www.macincloud.com/ or get a Mac Mini.

by mdmarra 14y ago

brodney 14y ago

The way that reads it seems valid to create a virtual instance of osx for development.

tesmar2 14y ago
As long as you are already on Apple hardware running Apple software
mdmarra 14y ago
Only if you're running it on top of OS X using something like VMware Fusion.

w1ntermute 14y ago

When was the last time a developer got sued for violating the OS X EULA? Start worrying about real world problems for a change.

eridius 14y ago
Oh, so just because you don't get sued for it means you should go ahead and do something illegal?
- krichman 14y ago
  I don't know if breaking a contract or EULA is strictly illegal.
- beedogs 14y ago
  [citation needed] that breaking a EULA is illegal.
mdmarra 14y ago
Just so I'm clear, where is the list of which ToS and EULAs are OK to break and which ones aren't? AppGratis seems to have gotten boned for violating one, yet you're advocating people break another in the same thread? Sure, the odds of Apple coming after you are low. But that doesn't mean that it's any less of a violation of the license agreement that you agree to when installing the software. AppGratis also thought they were in the clear with their ToS issue.
- CamperBob2 14y ago
  Here are the ones that it's not OK to break: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text Here are the ones that it is OK to break: (Most of the rest)
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  Isn't it obvious? It's OK to violate the EULA if there's no chance of them catching you, and if other people haven't been caught before. No end user has ever been caught or sued by Apple for running OS X in a VM, because that's not easily detectable and Apple doesn't care about it. But stories of App Store EULA violation nightmares are a dime a dozen. TL;DR use your common sense
- mikeash 14y ago
  EULAs are crap, as they attempt to tell me what I'm allowed to do with an entity that I own. Once the transaction is complete, we're done, and the creator doesn't get to control what I do, beyond the restrictions laid out in copyright law. If I violate a EULA, the creator has no recourse but to sue, and they'll be suing me for taking legal actions with my own property. A ToS, on the other hand, lays out terms for the ongoing use of a service. If I violate the ToS, the service provider is within their rights to decline to provide me service. They're within their rights to do that anyway for nearly any reason they feel like, because this is an ongoing relationship and I don't have them enslaved. Beyond that, they could also sue, at which point things get a bit murky. There's nothing wrong with breaking a EULA, and their legal enforceability is worrying. There's also nothing wrong with a service provider terminating service when a user breaks a ToS, which is what happened here. There's no inconsistency.

myko 14y ago

Would this hold up in court? It seems laughable upon reading it.

mdmarra 14y ago
Depends on your locality. In some countries/states/cities, EULAs are utterly unenforceable. In others, they might have a legitimate case.
dsl 14y ago
"You can only run our software on our hardware" has already held up in courts. It's been a few years, but I think it was Allen Bradley or Siemens.

guelo 14y ago

I can legally run Windows on my Mac or Linux boxes but I can't run OS X anywhere besides an official Mac. To which I say, get bent Apple, I have work to do. BTW, I'm sure all Apple Boot Camp and Parallels users pay the $250 Microsoft license, NOT.

pi18n 14y ago

If I didn't have an Apple computer and sorely needed one I would probably use http://www.macincloud.com/ http://www.macincloud.com/ or get a Mac Mini.