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It actually disgusts you? I think you might want to spend your emotions more cautiously. I don't quite understand the argument you're really making (a less pol

It actually disgusts you? I think you might want to spend your emotions more cautiously. I don't quite understand the argument you're really making (a less polite way is to say that you sound unreasonably entitled). "Asus, Dell, and similar" aren't making SSDs. They're buying them. And yes, it is and remains a premium feature.

UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
Entitled? I want to give them money and get a product in return. But the market isn't supplying the product I want. I can buy it through other supply channels but this small handful of companies are intentionally sitting in innovative new technology so they can sell you it at a massive markup in a limited range of their "premium" products. For example, just look at the Chromebook. Clearly it is possible to supply at a reasonable price, but yet a MORE expensive, Dell, Asus, or similar wont.
- d23 14y ago
  Why do you think that is? Could the implementation maybe, possibly... be harder than you think?
  - TheLegace 14y ago
    Well it's really not that hard. I mean there are engineers building Mars rovers operating millions of miles away. We can't figure out a durable, light, performance and cost effective laptop yet. But as oppose to complaining, I have plans to make the laptop of my dreams(my start-up project 2 months from now).
    - alexsb92 14y ago
      How would the laptop of your dreams be like? In a year or so it will be time to start thinking about getting a new one.
      - TheLegace 14y ago
        I actually have thought of a strategy for that as well ;). The other thing, maybe it might be time to slow down this planned obsolescence garbage and replace it with a more sustainable model. It's one of the reasons I hope to expect the laptop take off.
  - UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
    Externally HDDs and SSDs are identical. Not sure what "implementation" you're referring to. They'd just order SSDs from the exact same manufacturers that they're buying HDDs from. They put them in the same holes and attach them to the same connectors and Windows detects them just the same.
- jsnell 14y ago
  All SSD storage isn't created equal. I assume you don't mean the Pixel as an example of the reasonably priced machine. Before that you had the Acer Chromebook with a normal hard drive, and the Samsung ARM Chromebook with a tiny 16GB eMMC drive. Any eMMC devices I've used in the past have had pitiful throughput, low iops, and random stuttering. Barely good enough for something like a tablet. Not really for a general purpose computer. Now, I haven't seen any detailed benchmarks of disk IO on the ARM Chromebook. Maybe it's got some new advanced controller that's capable of decent performance. But I'd bet that it's still far behind a high quality SATA SSD controller. And that's going to cost real money, and won't be present in a $200 device.
- corresation 14y ago
  The Chromebook has 16GB of slow flash storage. It can do that because it has a very lightweight OS, and does little with the local storage. My Dell Vostro laptop, in comparison, has a magnetic drive coupled with a 32GB mSATA high-performance flash cache. So my normal workstation laptop has a simple flash cache double the entire size of the main storage in the Chromebook. SSDs remain expensive. They are a premium because they simply aren't worth it to many users. I'd love to have boundless, super-performance SSDs in every device but that isn't reasonable.
- fakeer 14y ago
  >>I want to give them money and get a product in return. Then either your market analysis is better than theirs and you need to convince them starting all the SSD laptops/desktops and scrap all other ones OR fund a laptop which is made just for you because if everybody doesn't want it then Dell and elk are not betting all their money on one horse. As parent commenter said they too buy them SSDs and an SSD makes a laptop costlier and a costlier laptop puts people off especially those who don't know what is XOR gate. >>look at the Chromebook When you buy something from Google it's not the end of story. You keep buying from Google. Just like Android which is actually free(OS I mean). But Dell? You bought a laptop, end of story - they will provide you support for an year and that is in laptop's price already. So, a Chromebook and a Dellbook are different in this way too.
lurkinggrue 14y ago
It just gives me ennui.

UnoriginalGuy 14y ago

Entitled? I want to give them money and get a product in return. But the market isn't supplying the product I want. I can buy it through other supply channels but this small handful of companies are intentionally sitting in innovative new technology so they can sell you it at a massive markup in a limited range of their "premium" products. For example, just look at the Chromebook. Clearly it is possible to supply at a reasonable price, but yet a MORE expensive, Dell, Asus, or similar wont.

d23 14y ago
Why do you think that is? Could the implementation maybe, possibly... be harder than you think?
- TheLegace 14y ago
  Well it's really not that hard. I mean there are engineers building Mars rovers operating millions of miles away. We can't figure out a durable, light, performance and cost effective laptop yet. But as oppose to complaining, I have plans to make the laptop of my dreams(my start-up project 2 months from now).
  - alexsb92 14y ago
    How would the laptop of your dreams be like? In a year or so it will be time to start thinking about getting a new one.
    - TheLegace 14y ago
      I actually have thought of a strategy for that as well ;). The other thing, maybe it might be time to slow down this planned obsolescence garbage and replace it with a more sustainable model. It's one of the reasons I hope to expect the laptop take off.
- UnoriginalGuy 14y ago
  Externally HDDs and SSDs are identical. Not sure what "implementation" you're referring to. They'd just order SSDs from the exact same manufacturers that they're buying HDDs from. They put them in the same holes and attach them to the same connectors and Windows detects them just the same.
jsnell 14y ago
All SSD storage isn't created equal. I assume you don't mean the Pixel as an example of the reasonably priced machine. Before that you had the Acer Chromebook with a normal hard drive, and the Samsung ARM Chromebook with a tiny 16GB eMMC drive. Any eMMC devices I've used in the past have had pitiful throughput, low iops, and random stuttering. Barely good enough for something like a tablet. Not really for a general purpose computer. Now, I haven't seen any detailed benchmarks of disk IO on the ARM Chromebook. Maybe it's got some new advanced controller that's capable of decent performance. But I'd bet that it's still far behind a high quality SATA SSD controller. And that's going to cost real money, and won't be present in a $200 device.
corresation 14y ago
The Chromebook has 16GB of slow flash storage. It can do that because it has a very lightweight OS, and does little with the local storage. My Dell Vostro laptop, in comparison, has a magnetic drive coupled with a 32GB mSATA high-performance flash cache. So my normal workstation laptop has a simple flash cache double the entire size of the main storage in the Chromebook. SSDs remain expensive. They are a premium because they simply aren't worth it to many users. I'd love to have boundless, super-performance SSDs in every device but that isn't reasonable.
fakeer 14y ago
>>I want to give them money and get a product in return. Then either your market analysis is better than theirs and you need to convince them starting all the SSD laptops/desktops and scrap all other ones OR fund a laptop which is made just for you because if everybody doesn't want it then Dell and elk are not betting all their money on one horse. As parent commenter said they too buy them SSDs and an SSD makes a laptop costlier and a costlier laptop puts people off especially those who don't know what is XOR gate. >>look at the Chromebook When you buy something from Google it's not the end of story. You keep buying from Google. Just like Android which is actually free(OS I mean). But Dell? You bought a laptop, end of story - they will provide you support for an year and that is in laptop's price already. So, a Chromebook and a Dellbook are different in this way too.

lurkinggrue 14y ago

It just gives me ennui.