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Assuming you still develop for iOS, what is your setup for developing while using linux?

by brodney 14y ago

tvon 14y ago
You can get OSX up and running in VirtualBox/Vagrant. Not that I'd want to do actual development that way, but we do it for iOS CI.
- mdmarra 14y ago
  Which is a violation of the OS X EULA. install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using OS X Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf B.2.iii
  - brodney 14y ago
    The way that reads it seems valid to create a virtual instance of osx for development.
    - tesmar2 14y ago
      As long as you are already on Apple hardware running Apple software
    - mdmarra 14y ago
      Only if you're running it on top of OS X using something like VMware Fusion.
  - w1ntermute 14y ago
    When was the last time a developer got sued for violating the OS X EULA? Start worrying about real world problems for a change.
    - eridius 14y ago
      Oh, so just because you don't get sued for it means you should go ahead and do something illegal?
      - krichman 14y ago
        I don't know if breaking a contract or EULA is strictly illegal.
      - beedogs 14y ago
        [citation needed] that breaking a EULA is illegal.
    - mdmarra 14y ago
      Just so I'm clear, where is the list of which ToS and EULAs are OK to break and which ones aren't? AppGratis seems to have gotten boned for violating one, yet you're advocating people break another in the same thread? Sure, the odds of Apple coming after you are low. But that doesn't mean that it's any less of a violation of the license agreement that you agree to when installing the software. AppGratis also thought they were in the clear with their ToS issue.
      - CamperBob2 14y ago
        Here are the ones that it's not OK to break: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text Here are the ones that it is OK to break: (Most of the rest)
      - w1ntermute 14y ago
        Isn't it obvious? It's OK to violate the EULA if there's no chance of them catching you, and if other people haven't been caught before. No end user has ever been caught or sued by Apple for running OS X in a VM, because that's not easily detectable and Apple doesn't care about it. But stories of App Store EULA violation nightmares are a dime a dozen. TL;DR use your common sense
      - mikeash 14y ago
  - myko 14y ago
    Would this hold up in court? It seems laughable upon reading it.
    - mdmarra 14y ago
      Depends on your locality. In some countries/states/cities, EULAs are utterly unenforceable. In others, they might have a legitimate case.
    - dsl 14y ago
      "You can only run our software on our hardware" has already held up in courts. It's been a few years, but I think it was Allen Bradley or Siemens.
  - guelo 14y ago
    I can legally run Windows on my Mac or Linux boxes but I can't run OS X anywhere besides an official Mac. To which I say, get bent Apple, I have work to do. BTW, I'm sure all Apple Boot Camp and Parallels users pay the $250 Microsoft license, NOT.
  - pi18n 14y ago
    If I didn't have an Apple computer and sorely needed one I would probably use http://www.macincloud.com/ http://www.macincloud.com/ or get a Mac Mini.
pi18n 14y ago
I have an OS X machine. Otherwise I would jailbreak the device for developing and buy a Mac Mini or something if it turns out I need OS X to do codesigning when I submit it. If anyone develops for iPhone without Xcode I'd love to hear it. I'd switch in a second if something could provide even half the functionality as long as it had half the usability issues.

Assuming you still develop for iOS, what is your setup for developing while using linux?

by brodney 14y ago

Assuming you still develop for iOS, what is your setup for developing while using linux?

tvon 14y ago

You can get OSX up and running in VirtualBox/Vagrant. Not that I'd want to do actual development that way, but we do it for iOS CI.

mdmarra 14y ago
Which is a violation of the OS X EULA. install, use and run up to two (2) additional copies or instances of the Apple Software within virtual operating system environments on each Mac Computer you own or control that is already running the Apple Software, for purposes of: (a) software development; (b) testing during software development; (c) using OS X Server; or (d) personal, non-commercial use. http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf http://www.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/OSX1082.pdf B.2.iii
- brodney 14y ago
  The way that reads it seems valid to create a virtual instance of osx for development.
  - tesmar2 14y ago
    As long as you are already on Apple hardware running Apple software
  - mdmarra 14y ago
    Only if you're running it on top of OS X using something like VMware Fusion.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  When was the last time a developer got sued for violating the OS X EULA? Start worrying about real world problems for a change.
  - eridius 14y ago
    Oh, so just because you don't get sued for it means you should go ahead and do something illegal?
    - krichman 14y ago
      I don't know if breaking a contract or EULA is strictly illegal.
    - beedogs 14y ago
      [citation needed] that breaking a EULA is illegal.
  - mdmarra 14y ago
    Just so I'm clear, where is the list of which ToS and EULAs are OK to break and which ones aren't? AppGratis seems to have gotten boned for violating one, yet you're advocating people break another in the same thread? Sure, the odds of Apple coming after you are low. But that doesn't mean that it's any less of a violation of the license agreement that you agree to when installing the software. AppGratis also thought they were in the clear with their ToS issue.
    - CamperBob2 14y ago
      Here are the ones that it's not OK to break: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text Here are the ones that it is OK to break: (Most of the rest)
    - w1ntermute 14y ago
      Isn't it obvious? It's OK to violate the EULA if there's no chance of them catching you, and if other people haven't been caught before. No end user has ever been caught or sued by Apple for running OS X in a VM, because that's not easily detectable and Apple doesn't care about it. But stories of App Store EULA violation nightmares are a dime a dozen. TL;DR use your common sense
    - mikeash 14y ago
- myko 14y ago
  Would this hold up in court? It seems laughable upon reading it.
  - mdmarra 14y ago
    Depends on your locality. In some countries/states/cities, EULAs are utterly unenforceable. In others, they might have a legitimate case.
  - dsl 14y ago
    "You can only run our software on our hardware" has already held up in courts. It's been a few years, but I think it was Allen Bradley or Siemens.
- guelo 14y ago
  I can legally run Windows on my Mac or Linux boxes but I can't run OS X anywhere besides an official Mac. To which I say, get bent Apple, I have work to do. BTW, I'm sure all Apple Boot Camp and Parallels users pay the $250 Microsoft license, NOT.
- pi18n 14y ago
  If I didn't have an Apple computer and sorely needed one I would probably use http://www.macincloud.com/ http://www.macincloud.com/ or get a Mac Mini.

pi18n 14y ago

I have an OS X machine. Otherwise I would jailbreak the device for developing and buy a Mac Mini or something if it turns out I need OS X to do codesigning when I submit it. If anyone develops for iPhone without Xcode I'd love to hear it. I'd switch in a second if something could provide even half the functionality as long as it had half the usability issues.