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"Your position is 1 out of 1 queued migrations in this Linode's datacenter." 8 minutes later, the system was copied and powered on. Also got a few upgrades th

by ambiate 14y ago

"Your position is 1 out of 1 queued migrations in this Linode's datacenter." 8 minutes later, the system was copied and powered on. Also got a few upgrades that had been delayed due to the necessity to reboot. Linode is very painless, but as always, that convenience comes with a cost. I am very sad that they do not allow for extra IPs anymore. I let my service lapse one month and lost my extra IP. (Don't forget to increase swap sizes, change configurations to deal with extra memory, etc)

mantas 14y ago
Really? I still see "add extra IPs" option for my Linode
- yogo 14y ago
  Yep but it's not automatic. I believe they still require you to file a ticket justifying why you need the extra IP address. I always found it weird needing to jump through those hoops if you are only trying to add one additional IP address (if you are adding a bunch then I can see) when you can create a new node and have a new IP address instantly (obviously it would cost 20x more in this case).
  - ambiate 14y ago
    I believe the only justification for the process is a SSL certificate. In the past, it was "pay 1.00 and get 1 extra IP, automatic, no questions asked." I understand why Linode follows that procedure. I just miss the old days. I have to be more careful about cross porting, cross data, cross domains, and hosts which can't access anything but port 80. I used to just follow the principle of website x, y, z on port 80 on IP1, website a, b on port 80 on IP2. Luckily, digital ocean basically sells ips for $5/pop.
    - justincormack 14y ago
      The old days are not coming back. You can have as many ipv6 addresses as you want though.
  - tomchuk 14y ago
    Yeah, if you tell them it's for another https site, they'll make you prove you've bought the cert. A bit of a hassle, but I can see why they don't want to just hand out IPv4 addresses and have them sit there unused.
  - mantas 14y ago
    That may be due to their ISPs/datacenters rules. Did you try to file a ticket and got refused? I'd be really surprised. Whenever I needed their help, they were awesome every single time. One time I was traveling and I couldn't pay on time due to bank issues. They gave me extra time to pay rather than terminating on 10th day!
    - yogo 14y ago
      No I haven't had a problem with getting an additional address in the past except for one case where I decided to get the process started before completing the purchase on GoDaddy. I just take the SNI route these days just not to be bothered. Their support responds quickly but this is almost akin to having to wait for a hosting company to setup your vps. I'm probably just spoiled by the instantaneity of everything else.
  - hackerboos 14y ago
    Most providers ask you to justify extra IP allocations.
    - agwa 14y ago
      They probably should but there are many providers (e.g. Softlayer) who, on the more expensive plans, will give you your own /28 or /29 for free without even asking if you need it. (Comcast and AT&T are also guilty of this on business tier cable/DSL plans.) Linode is definitely the strictest in my experience when it comes to enforcing ARIN's rules (if HTTPS is your justification, Linode actually checks to make sure you're serving up a valid certificate). This is a good thing for the Internet but somewhat frustrating when other providers are so much laxer.
      - thatthatis 14y ago
        Or, viewed another way, it is evidence of Linode's attention to detail, which will help you many more times than it will hurt you.
      - eli 14y ago
        I needed to fill out a form and list the use of each IP address before Comcast would give me a /29 and that was ~5 years.
        agwa 14y ago
        Wow - about ~2 years ago we had to convince Comcast not to give us a /29! At least they could be convinced - AT&T couldn't.
        eli 14y ago
        Maybe it's just the luck of which rep sets up your account. I wouldn't presume that they ever look at the form or decline a request.
      - sschueller 14y ago
        Verizon handed me a /24 for a T1 line. No questions asked but that was 10 years ago :-)
  - eli 14y ago
    That's coming from ARIN, not Linode. ARIN won't hand out more IP addresses unless ISPs can show they are being effectively utilized. I've had to fill out a form at Rackspace to justify additional IPs.
    - yogo 14y ago
      Oh, I guess the higher-ups had a bigger hand in this than I realized.

by ambiate 14y ago

mantas 14y ago

Really? I still see "add extra IPs" option for my Linode

yogo 14y ago
Yep but it's not automatic. I believe they still require you to file a ticket justifying why you need the extra IP address. I always found it weird needing to jump through those hoops if you are only trying to add one additional IP address (if you are adding a bunch then I can see) when you can create a new node and have a new IP address instantly (obviously it would cost 20x more in this case).
- ambiate 14y ago
  I believe the only justification for the process is a SSL certificate. In the past, it was "pay 1.00 and get 1 extra IP, automatic, no questions asked." I understand why Linode follows that procedure. I just miss the old days. I have to be more careful about cross porting, cross data, cross domains, and hosts which can't access anything but port 80. I used to just follow the principle of website x, y, z on port 80 on IP1, website a, b on port 80 on IP2. Luckily, digital ocean basically sells ips for $5/pop.
  - justincormack 14y ago
    The old days are not coming back. You can have as many ipv6 addresses as you want though.
- tomchuk 14y ago
  Yeah, if you tell them it's for another https site, they'll make you prove you've bought the cert. A bit of a hassle, but I can see why they don't want to just hand out IPv4 addresses and have them sit there unused.
- mantas 14y ago
  That may be due to their ISPs/datacenters rules. Did you try to file a ticket and got refused? I'd be really surprised. Whenever I needed their help, they were awesome every single time. One time I was traveling and I couldn't pay on time due to bank issues. They gave me extra time to pay rather than terminating on 10th day!
  - yogo 14y ago
    No I haven't had a problem with getting an additional address in the past except for one case where I decided to get the process started before completing the purchase on GoDaddy. I just take the SNI route these days just not to be bothered. Their support responds quickly but this is almost akin to having to wait for a hosting company to setup your vps. I'm probably just spoiled by the instantaneity of everything else.
- hackerboos 14y ago
  Most providers ask you to justify extra IP allocations.
  - agwa 14y ago
    They probably should but there are many providers (e.g. Softlayer) who, on the more expensive plans, will give you your own /28 or /29 for free without even asking if you need it. (Comcast and AT&T are also guilty of this on business tier cable/DSL plans.) Linode is definitely the strictest in my experience when it comes to enforcing ARIN's rules (if HTTPS is your justification, Linode actually checks to make sure you're serving up a valid certificate). This is a good thing for the Internet but somewhat frustrating when other providers are so much laxer.
    - thatthatis 14y ago
      Or, viewed another way, it is evidence of Linode's attention to detail, which will help you many more times than it will hurt you.
    - eli 14y ago
      I needed to fill out a form and list the use of each IP address before Comcast would give me a /29 and that was ~5 years.
      - agwa 14y ago
        Wow - about ~2 years ago we had to convince Comcast not to give us a /29! At least they could be convinced - AT&T couldn't.
        eli 14y ago
        Maybe it's just the luck of which rep sets up your account. I wouldn't presume that they ever look at the form or decline a request.
    - sschueller 14y ago
      Verizon handed me a /24 for a T1 line. No questions asked but that was 10 years ago :-)
- eli 14y ago
  That's coming from ARIN, not Linode. ARIN won't hand out more IP addresses unless ISPs can show they are being effectively utilized. I've had to fill out a form at Rackspace to justify additional IPs.
  - yogo 14y ago
    Oh, I guess the higher-ups had a bigger hand in this than I realized.