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Linode NextGen: RAM Upgrade
- onk 14y agoI found it hard to compare VPS offerings and ended up making pizza instead: http://workforpizza.com/posts/2013-04-04-comparing-apples-and-aws.html http://workforpizza.com/posts/2013-04-04-comparing-apples-an...
- tacticus 14y agoSee now all i got out of that is hunger and what looks like an awesome idea for pizza.
- mantas 14y agoFinally! Who said #3 isn't going to be RAM? :)
- shuzchen 14y agoI did. Many times. But I'm glad to have been wrong!
- ambiate 14y ago"Your position is 1 out of 1 queued migrations in this Linode's datacenter." 8 minutes later, the system was copied and powered on. Also got a few upgrades that had been delayed due to the necessity to reboot. Linode is very painless, but as always, that convenience comes with a cost. I am very sad that they do not allow for extra IPs anymore. I let my service lapse one month and lost my extra IP. (Don't forget to increase swap sizes, change configurations to deal with extra memory, etc)
- mantas 14y agoReally? I still see "add extra IPs" option for my Linode
- yogo 14y agoYep but it's not automatic. I believe they still require you to file a ticket justifying why you need the extra IP address. I always found it weird needing to jump through those hoops if you are only trying to add one additional IP address (if you are adding a bunch then I can see) when you can create a new node and have a new IP address instantly (obviously it would cost 20x more in this case).
- ambiate 14y agoI believe the only justification for the process is a SSL certificate. In the past, it was "pay 1.00 and get 1 extra IP, automatic, no questions asked." I understand why Linode follows that procedure. I just miss the old days. I have to be more careful about cross porting, cross data, cross domains, and hosts which can't access anything but port 80. I used to just follow the principle of website x, y, z on port 80 on IP1, website a, b on port 80 on IP2. Luckily, digital ocean basically sells ips for $5/pop.
- justincormack 14y agoThe old days are not coming back. You can have as many ipv6 addresses as you want though.
- tomchuk 14y agoYeah, if you tell them it's for another https site, they'll make you prove you've bought the cert. A bit of a hassle, but I can see why they don't want to just hand out IPv4 addresses and have them sit there unused.
- mantas 14y agoThat may be due to their ISPs/datacenters rules. Did you try to file a ticket and got refused? I'd be really surprised. Whenever I needed their help, they were awesome every single time. One time I was traveling and I couldn't pay on time due to bank issues. They gave me extra time to pay rather than terminating on 10th day!
- stefantalpalaru 14y agoI wonder if they can skip the host migration after half of the linodes have been migrated and let the people who are not in a hurry just reboot to double the RAM.
- agwa 14y agoProbably not, because the migration also gets you onto new Sandy Bridge hosts: http://blog.linode.com/2013/03/18/linode-nextgen-the-hardware/ http://blog.linode.com/2013/03/18/linode-nextgen-the-hardwar...
- stefantalpalaru 14y agoNot in London. I'm still on the Xeon L5630 after the migration.
- agwa 14y agoArgh, you may be right - I haven't migrated yet and I was just assuming based on their previous blog post. Here's another report that this doesn't get you onto Sandy Bridge: http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/09/linode-nextgen-ram-upgrade/#comment-414542 http://blog.linode.com/2013/04/09/linode-nextgen-ram-upgrade... Are they really going to make all their customers go through two migrations? That would be disappointing.
- ww520 14y agoRounding from x9.95 to x0 is a welcome change. Less game playing.
- fprotthetarball 14y agoI like it, but I wonder what happens with the prepaid ones. I paid for 2 years to get the 15% discount...
- TheSwordsman 14y agoStaff in their IRC channel indicated people will not be charged the new amount until their next invoice date.
- TheSwordsman 14y agoNewark and Atlanta are now able to be upgraded as per the blog.
- machbio 14y agoJust after the Linode Upgrade Blogpost is posted, we have people from all the other VPS provider flocking the Hacker news to spread the message about "how awesome they could be.." Shall we stop and Concentrate on Linode now please..
- lalc 14y agoAnd here I just finally finished migrating to RamNode for this very reason a week ago. Frick.
- hackerboos 14y agoYou still benefit from SSDs...
- mantas 14y agoLinode claims their HDDs are faster than el-cheapo SSDs.. Still waiting for migration to test myself though.
- akkartik 14y agoYeah, such generalizations make no sense. Your mileage will depend on the characteristics of your workload. I've been working on a HN clone. The HN codebase creates a ton of small files for storage (one per post or comment), which need to be loaded up en masse on startup. Switching to Digital Ocean from Linode reduced startup time by 50x.
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- perryh2 14y agoThat's interesting because cost is Linode's reason for not offering SSD. Digital Ocean actually uses very expensive enterprise SSD in the servers. I'm a current customer of Digital Ocean after being with Linode for over 2 years.
- natevancouver 14y agoWhere did you get this information? When I looked at their site I didn’t see information about what kind of SSDs they are using and, based on the price, assumed they are MLC (consumer grade). I’d never want that on a server.
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- dmishe 14y agoHow is this comparing to EC2?
- tomchuk 14y agoComparing an m1.medium EC2 instance w/ 96GB EBS volume to a 4GB Linode (ignoring the fact that you're probably getting at least 2x CPU with Linode), you're looking at ~$100/mo for EC2 and $80/mo for Linode. If you take full advantage of Linode's 8TB/mo of included transfer, AWS is going to cost you an extra ~$1000 (assuming 100% outbound).
- trustfundbaby 14y agoThis is long overdue, I've been a linode customer for almost 5 years and I moved to Digital Ocean just yesterday, because their offering was just too compelling to pass up. Looks like their (Digital Ocean's) pricing shook linode's cages a little bit, and that's a good thing.
- akkartik 14y agoI moved over the weekend as well. Even after this update, Digital Ocean is cheaper: 1GB RAM + 30GB SSD for $10 vs 1GB RAM + 24GB disk for $20. Linode offers 8 CPUs compared to Ocean's 1, but the SSD seems to more than compensate in my experience. The one aspect that has me considering going back: Linode's backups seem much more confidence-inspiring.
- mrinterweb 14y ago"the SSD seems to more than compensate" that really depends. If you are using the server for a web app, disk IO should be minimized and CPU is more likely to be a bottleneck. This assertion largely depends on how well your database can cache its queries. For the web apps I host, I'd rather have CPU over faster disk IO.
- akkartik 14y agoDepends on the characteristics of the webapp, and how much I/O it needs per request. On the other hand multiple CPUs only matter if you have a ton of traffic. My side projects do not :) At least for hobbyists Digital Ocean is very compelling.
- trustfundbaby 14y agoTbh, I actually moved for the RAM and not the SSD, but again if you're running stuff like Sphinx or Elasticsearch (search engines which have their entire index stored on disk and then read into memory as needed), then having an SSD helps. Also in the case where you're running with swap because you don't have enough memory, SSD comes in handy too, mysql is particularly badly behaved in this respect, it swaps too easily unless you load the entire db into memory by setting innodb_buffer_pool_size equal to the size of the db + a little bit. long story short, an SSD can help out quite a bit more than you seem to suggest.
- agwa 14y ago"with the exception of Fremont which may take another week or two – we’ll be explaining more on Fremont in another post." Interesting... the Fremont data center had some pretty serious issues a couple years ago, and though it has been better since then the bad memories remain. I wonder if they're finally switching to a different data center vendor.
- cheald 14y agoThe Fremont issues have mostly been due to HE, AFAIK. That wouldn't really affect RAM upgrades, would it?
- agwa 14y agoNo, but if they're going to imminently switch to a new data center vendor they wouldn't bother rolling out the new hardware at their old data center, would they?
- kattuviriyan 14y agoBut they upgraded to the 8 core machines recently even in Fremont!
- grahamedgecombe 14y agoThe old L5520 processors they are using have 4 cores with hyperthreading, so it appears as 8 to the OS - so they don't have to have changed the host machines to present 8 cores to the VMs.
- drzaiusapelord 14y agoHe's referring to the recent move to the Sandy Bridge E5-2670 processor. All linode customers have this, but it will require a reboot to activate it.
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- whalesalad 14y agoLinode is hard to beat these days. I've been a customer for a few years and adore the shit out of them. Digital Ocean has become quite a competitor (and I have a box with them now for a staging environment) but the fact that they do not provide a private/internal network between your boxes is something that I can't live without. I like to keep app servers and db servers isolated from the real world by one box in front of all of them ... which is not something you can currently do with Digital Ocean. I love Heroku's platform and think they've done some amazing things for our industry, but I don't agree with any of their recent PR moves. Linode, on the other hand, has never stirred up drama or bullshit since I have started working with them. They're straight shooters and this gives me a great deal of confidence. I had a personally hair raising experience this weekend trying to migrate a smaller server that kept swapping over to a larger one without too much downtime. I was able to do this pretty painlessly but man I wish I would have waited just a few days for this!
- voidlogic 14y agoAt $20/mo Digital Ocean offers twice as much memory, 1 TB more transfer and and 4 GB less disk (put it is SSD...) Digital Oceans lack of "private" network is silly, if you really need it, setup a encrypted tunnel yourself, I would not trust anything else anyway. Also I highly doubt that if your DO DB and App server talk the traffic leaves the datacenter, but you could test this.
- petercooper 14y agoAn interesting side to this is they seem to be keeping various hidden/old levels going even with the upgrade. I went to upgrade a Linode 768 (no longer available) and it said it'd upgrade to a Linode 1536. But I don't need that much RAM.. so I might first downgrade to a Linode 512 then "upgrade" to a 1024 for free.. ;-) Update: Seems I can't, but I can upgrade direct to a 1024. Random observation: The Linode 1024 is now the same price as prgmr.com's equivalent.
- endijs 14y agoI was in the same situation. Downgraded few days ago to 512MB and now will get 1GB.
- TheSwordsman 14y agoLooks like London and Tokyo are now available! (as per the blog)
- archgrove 14y agoThe migration time seems to be largely dependent on how much disk space you're actually using. In London, I'm getting a 43.75 MB/s rate on my primary disk. It's using some kind of compression though, as an empty disk copied across instantly; it's been about 10 minutes for a 10gig drive. Edit: Ah, just misread the console. It's still "copying" my empty drives, at the advertised rate. So dividing your disks by the 40ish MBps is a good estimate of migration time.
- endijs 14y agoLondon now available too. "You are in the Migration Queue! Your position is 4 out of 4 queued migrations in this Linode's datacenter." ~1min in queue and 5min to migrate 512MB to 1024MB. However I'm still on old CPU. :/ Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5520 @ 2.27GHz 8 cores Memory 1001 MB real
- astrodust 14y agoYou did get 8 cores, which is what they promised.
- endijs 14y agoYes (3 weeks ago). However when they wrote post about new hardware it was told, that new Linodes will start to land there after a week. It would be only reasonable, that after 2 extra weeks and migration to get extra RAM, Linode would land on new hardware. However it looks like it will take a while. I'm not as much after more GHz from new CPUs, but rather than new hard drives which should be faster than old ones. Will wait. :)
- ajjai 14y agoawesome upgrade..
- Domenic_S 14y agoFreaking Freemont. I can't wait to hear their "upcoming explanation", and I hope it's along the lines of "we're nuking it from orbit".
- bluedino 14y agoI wonder if Slicehost would have followed suit if they weren't owned by Rackspace now. Rackspace has never been about low prices, though.
- gionn 14y agoOoops, my Linode keep crashing before kernel going live, newer Xen bug? (Ubuntu 12.04 with stock kernel configured with pv-grub-x86_32). Opened a ticket 6 minutes ago :o
- kylec 14y agoI don't have immediate need for the new capacity, so I'm actually going to wait a few weeks on upgrading. With any luck the early adopters (and probable heavy users) will have all upgraded and I won't have to share a machine with too many.
- slig 14y agoThat, fine control over when my linode will go down and let the early adopters catch any quirks (Linode doesn't half ass stuff, but I have no hurry).
- acabal 14y agoThis is great, but it would be nice to have a plan < 1GB for < $20/month. I love Linode, I've been using it for years, and the pricing is great in general. But it'd be really nice to be able to spin up a $10/month, 512MB server for a new personal blog or other project. $20/month is prohibitively expensive for one-off side project hosting and there's lots of utility to be had from a cheap low-RAM, low-CPU server. I'd buy 10!
- carbocation 14y agoI suspect that, in the general case, keeping away people/projects for whom $20/month is prohibitively expensive ends up being a virtue for caker and the Linode crew. (Note that I'm not intending this to refer to you specifically, since you're already a subscriber anyway.)
- drewcrawford 14y agoThe problem is that most projects make (possibly their only) hosting provider decision from a position of being unprofitable. Thus when you segment the market by "people who can afford $20-100/month", you are also segmenting the market by the correlating variables "people who are mad at their current host" and "people who can spare several days to migrate their infrastructure". As a member of that class who migrated to Linode, I can attest that the size of that market is nonzero. But I can also attest that a great many projects start and remain on AWS and lowendbox where the barrier to entry is much lower, and even as a satisfied Linode customer I continue to start and continue to maintain many projects in those environments.
- tiredofcareer 14y agoHaving deployed significant environments on both Linode and AWS I can safely say that the barrier to entry on AWS is nowhere near lower than Linode's, for all but the tiniest Wordpress blog. The hourly, broken-up billing is a smokescreen; for exactly what you get out of a (now) Linode 1024, you'd pay $50+/month or so on AWS. Don't forget total bandwidth, an elastic IP, and so on.
- andyhmltn 14y agoYes! I've been considering switching to Linode for a few months now. Last month I made the leap when they introduced 8 cores. RAM was the only thing I found lacking for the price. This now completes it :-)
- nlh 14y agoDoes anyone have a suggestion/option for those of us with bigger disk space needs? I love Linode and have been running a privately-hosted email server on there for a while (yes, yes, I know, I know, Gmail, Gmail. I like running my own server.). But my resource constraint these days is disk - not memory or CPUs. Feels silly for me to get bigger a bigger instances just for the disk space. A while back I spoke to the Linode guys (I think it was at SXSW 2011) and they said they were going to be releasing an EBS-like product "soon". But I guess not that soon. Perhaps I'm just not a good fit for Linode in this case? Any thoughts?
- ulrikrasmussen 14y agoI use Transip.eu. You can buy the cheap plan and upgrade only disk space afterwards. I'm on my phone, so can't check the exact prices now though.
- mtrimpe 14y agoI can't comment on their VPS / disk space offering, but I've been a customer of TransIP for well over 5 years now and their support is stellar. Disclaimer: They're Dutch and so am I, so you should factor national pride into this endorsement to some degree.
- Wilya 14y agoDedicated servers, even the cheap ones, tend to offer a ton a disk space. In Europe, Ovh and Hetzner have entry-level offers with 2 or 3 TB at 50€, you might find something in the same prices geographically closer to you. Other than that, there are probably VPS providers who let you upgrade disk space independantly from RAM (I'm using Europe based providers, so I probably can't give you relevant names, unfortunately).
- X-Istence 14y agoOVH has their offering in North America as well (located in Canada). $40 a month for a Core i3 3.4 Ghz, 8 GB of RAM, 2 x 1 TB drives. And it has been fantastic when it comes to speed and whatnot.
- euroclydon 14y agoIf you have a linode512 plan with backup, they will automatically upgrade your backup from the backup512 version to backup1024, which is $10/month, where the old was $5/month. I'm sure it's a good deal all around, but it seems like a slight of hand to me: Linode, now with more RAM, AND more expansive backups for the same disk space.
- geden 14y agoI've just checked with linode - the backup price is shifting too, so the cost will not increase. They have not updated their FAQ yet. --------------- Hello, The backup prices are shifting just as the RAM prices shifted, so Linode 1GB backups are now $5, Linode 2GB is $10, and so on. I hope this clears things up. Please let us know if we can be of further assistance. Regards, Jonathan --------------
- anderiv 14y agoI just checked with Linode support, and their backup pricing will be adjusted to match with the old rates as well. So if you’ve been paying $5/month for backup service, your price will stay the same post-migration.
- ZaneA 14y agoThis RAM change is now reflected here. http://www.linode.com/backups/ http://www.linode.com/backups/
- wesray 14y agoLinode continues to win.
- geekam 14y agoDoes anyone know if others (e.g. Digital Ocean) follow the Safe Harbor like Linode?
- czk 14y agoAwesome upgrade. I did notice though after the migration (512->1024 Dallas) I'm now on a node with the older CPUs (model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU L5630 @ 2.13GHz ) as opposed to the E5-2670s mentioned in the blog March 18th.
- t0mislav 14y agoOh well, another machine reboot. :) Still, need to wait, "Your position is 272 out of 293" :D
- splitrocket 14y agoWell Done Linode. As with most things, you get what you pay for, and I'm willing to pay a bit of a premium for the rock solid (virtual) hardware and awesome support.
- mamcx 14y agoRigth now using heroku, and a new app I'm working will need a postgress backend. Because heroku docs state that the use of many schemas cause performance degradation I wonder if linode or other host could provide the kind of reliable postgress host as heroku?
- babuskov 14y agoIf you're running any kind of intensive database I/O and your databases are larger than RAM, then look for a dedicated server. It tried switching many VPS offerings, but there are always bottlenecks when you share the disk I/O with everyone else. For example, on one provider, I had problems that everyone is placing some heavy cron jobs at midnight and completely kills the disk I/O for 10-15 minutes.
- mamcx 14y agoOk. But my main fear is about backups and DB maintenance. Heroku do it, but wonder who else
- dmix 14y agoHopefully this puts pressure on other VPS vendors such as prmgr (nod) to upgrade their RAM offering.
- leoplct 14y agoWAO!! THIS IS AWESOME!
- abailin 14y ago"The upgrade is not mandatory, so if you’re not down with the 5 cent increase you can keep your existing resources and pricing."
- mortenlarsen 14y agoYour position is 160 out of 389 queued migrations in this Linode's datacenter. I got mine to migrate ahead of the queue by accident. I just resized my disk, and it started migrating after the resize.
- andmarios 14y agoFinally! Now I can move back to Linode. :D
- brendan_gill 14y agoJust as a warning to anyone else who clicks the upgrade button too quickly you get entered straight into the queue and it doesn't look like there is anyway to cancel after you've committed. My curiosity got the better of me and would have preferred to have planned a bit better for the downtime but am now 23 out of 28 in a queue and moving pretty fast...
- TheSwordsman 14y agomight be able to remove you via ticket
- thegyppo 14y agoIt was no surprise this was coming after the handouts at SXSW. We did an interview with Linode last month about some of their new upgrades: http://blog.serverbear.com/interview/linode/ http://blog.serverbear.com/interview/linode/ You can also see some benchmark data from the new E5 CPU's here: Dallas - http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2013/04/07/FxVC0fV6q5GAMa1j http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2013/04/07/FxVC0fV6q5GAMa1j Fremont - http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2013/4/6/TX3w1Zx5dRK13MJi http://serverbear.com/benchmark/2013/4/6/TX3w1Zx5dRK13MJi
- sideproject 14y ago$0.05 more per month! Ludicrous! :) but alright, I'll just go along with the upgrade.
- rmanalan 14y agoNow they need to introduce lower priced option for 512M.
- mp99e99 14y agoI work @ a competitor Atlantic.Net (www.atlantic.net/cloud - Free Trial message me for extra free credits) but I think the market is segmenting between Digital Ocean which is very aggressively priced, and Linode which is trying to throw in more features and pack alot of value at a higher price point. Interestingly, the largest providers AWS + Rackspace provide no free bandwidth, while Linode not only included it, but increased it significantly. Will these providers push the bigger guys to start offering free bandwidth which is a significant cost of the product [well, if its used].
- asb 14y agoAny thoughts as to why nobody else seems to be competing with a spot market? Plenty of competitors look compelling on a per-hour basis, but if you don't require much bandwidth it's really hard to beat EC2's spot market pricing.
- drbawb 14y agoYour pricing actually looks _great_ for what I'm trying to do. With your pricing model I'll have to keep an eye on my bandwidth, but it's pretty competitively priced. ( I'd only run a Bulletin board and a Mumble server w/ ~8 concurrent users. So I should easily be in "tens of GB.") I'm currently running 2x512mb instances at Rackspace. (It's cheaper than 1x1024 instance, sadly, and I don't need the extra bandwidth/disk space, just the RAM.) I think I'm going to spin up a trial today. Though I tried to do the same w/ digital ocean and my CC is giving me nothing but headaches. Thanks for the link!
- ausjke 14y agoReally great! Thanks Linode. I have been a Linode user for 3 years, got one server crash which lost everything(that's before their backup), otherwise great and reliable. I need the 1GB RAM for some Ruby stuff, which is, DDR-hungry.