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> First things first, web-based doesn't imply cloud-based. True, but there are few applications that reside in a browser that don't use cloud-based storage for

by lutusp 14y ago

> First things first, web-based doesn't imply cloud-based. True, but there are few applications that reside in a browser that don't use cloud-based storage for the results. One may safely refer to Web-based and cloud-based technologies in a single breath. >> Why do you think the big players in cloud-based and Web-based storage and applications are having such a hard time getting people to adopt them? > That is absolutely false. No, it's true, and you need to do impartial research before making this sort of claim. The big players are having a hard time getting people to adopt cloud-based and Web-based technologies, and I already gave the reasons. http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-cloud-resistance-starting-annoy-businesses-383 http://www.infoworld.com/d/cloud-computing/its-cloud-resista... A quote: "Accenture and the LSE surveyed more than 1,035 business and IT executives and conducted more than 35 interviews with cloud providers, system integrators, and cloud service users. The key finding: There's a gap between business and IT. Businesspeople see the excitement and business benefits of cloud computing, so they're pushing for it. However, IT people see cloud computing as causing issues with security and lock-in, so they're pushing back." > And how are you immune to this when YOU are responsible for managing your backup strategy and maintain your servers. This is a non-argument fort an obvious reason -- if infrastructure data loss is an issue, Web-based data loss is a bigger issue, because in the latter case, users won't necessarily know where the data are located, and the number of possible failure modes is higher. > Do you know how many horror stories there are of data loss that occurred because of things like bad RAID setup. I can't believe you even posted this argument. How does an unreliable cloud RAID array constitute an improvement over an unreliable infrastructure RAID array? I haven't even mentioned the legal issues, where law enforcement has a much easier time subpoenaing evidence from the cloud, compared to legally acquiring from your local network. http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/12/cloud-computing-enterprise-technology-cio-network-legal.html http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/12/cloud-computing-enterprise-... A quote: "Enterprises are moving their assets to the cloud to capture its many business benefits, including ease of deployment and reducing, if not eliminating, the need for IT infrastructure. However, cloud computing offers an array of pitfalls for the unwary. The unique legal risks and considerations presented by the cloud are especially important and often overlooked by nonlawyers." The article goes on to list five very serious and often overlooked legal pitfalls of cloud computing.

macspoofing 14y ago
>One may safely refer to Web-based and cloud-based technologies in a single breath. It may be one of those things that needs to be qualified. Pretty much every Fortune 1000 enterprise runs some kind of a web-based intranet, which may or may not be accessible outside the VPN, with various services, from email, to document management, to ... anything. >if infrastructure data loss is an issue, Web-based data loss is a bigger issue HOW?! First, there is nothing preventing you from having your own backups. Second, even if you completely trust the cloud provider (and who says you should?), I claim that it is still safer than managing your own data for most business, especially if your business cannot afford a top-notch IT support staff (or any staff). If you're GE, you can invest in server-farms, if you're Plastic Widget Inc. you're better off with a reputable cloud vendor. > Businesspeople see the excitement and business benefits of cloud computing, so they're pushing for it. However, IT people see cloud computing as causing issues with security and lock-in, so they're pushing back. God-bless SysAdmins, but they do have a tendency to be anti-anything that comes in on their turf. They are almost never the decision makers. Having said that, you do realize that cloud services went from nothing (a few years ago) to a huge multi-hundred-billion dollar industry in the span of a few years, and growing. Clearly, SOMEBODY sees values. > The unique legal risks and considerations presented by the cloud are especially important and often overlooked by nonlawyers. Yes, there are "unique legal risks and considerations". What's your point? There are risks to cloud services, but there are incredible benefits as well. One always weighs risk and reward accordingly. The rewards is why the industry is growing. Here's an example of a 'unique legal consideration', Canadian hospitals cannot use cloud providers hosted on Amazon or anywhere in the US to host patient data because of things like the Patriot Act, so what do they do? They can go with a regional cloud provider that makes a guarantee that their data will not leave the province. I've seen that happen.
- lutusp 14y ago
  >> if infrastructure data loss is an issue, Web-based data loss is a bigger issue > HOW?! Because there are more factors involved. A local storage device has some number of failure modes, and probability of failure: A. The cloud had additional failure modes and vulnerabilities: B. The outcome is A + B. The failure modes are additive.

by lutusp 14y ago

macspoofing 14y ago

>One may safely refer to Web-based and cloud-based technologies in a single breath. It may be one of those things that needs to be qualified. Pretty much every Fortune 1000 enterprise runs some kind of a web-based intranet, which may or may not be accessible outside the VPN, with various services, from email, to document management, to ... anything. >if infrastructure data loss is an issue, Web-based data loss is a bigger issue HOW?! First, there is nothing preventing you from having your own backups. Second, even if you completely trust the cloud provider (and who says you should?), I claim that it is still safer than managing your own data for most business, especially if your business cannot afford a top-notch IT support staff (or any staff). If you're GE, you can invest in server-farms, if you're Plastic Widget Inc. you're better off with a reputable cloud vendor. > Businesspeople see the excitement and business benefits of cloud computing, so they're pushing for it. However, IT people see cloud computing as causing issues with security and lock-in, so they're pushing back. God-bless SysAdmins, but they do have a tendency to be anti-anything that comes in on their turf. They are almost never the decision makers. Having said that, you do realize that cloud services went from nothing (a few years ago) to a huge multi-hundred-billion dollar industry in the span of a few years, and growing. Clearly, SOMEBODY sees values. > The unique legal risks and considerations presented by the cloud are especially important and often overlooked by nonlawyers. Yes, there are "unique legal risks and considerations". What's your point? There are risks to cloud services, but there are incredible benefits as well. One always weighs risk and reward accordingly. The rewards is why the industry is growing. Here's an example of a 'unique legal consideration', Canadian hospitals cannot use cloud providers hosted on Amazon or anywhere in the US to host patient data because of things like the Patriot Act, so what do they do? They can go with a regional cloud provider that makes a guarantee that their data will not leave the province. I've seen that happen.

lutusp 14y ago
>> if infrastructure data loss is an issue, Web-based data loss is a bigger issue > HOW?! Because there are more factors involved. A local storage device has some number of failure modes, and probability of failure: A. The cloud had additional failure modes and vulnerabilities: B. The outcome is A + B. The failure modes are additive.