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Since WhatsApp is a company that just recently discovered SSL and learned that you shouldn't use the IMEI number to generate the account password ... everything

by somesay 14y ago

Since WhatsApp is a company that just recently discovered SSL and learned that you shouldn't use the IMEI number to generate the account password ... everything just can become better. They are also successfully ignoring support things like multiple devices or a client for the computer.

shmerl 14y ago
Those who file such requests are better off ignoring Whatsapp in return and signing up with any normal XMPP service ;)
fakeer 14y ago
Though, I believe (and feel the need for) a desktop app is going to be one huge leap that will leave behind a lot of competitors both on desktop and mobile) by miles, I think their decision not to jump on desktop is a matter of focus and direction. They still have a lot to do on the mobile. For instance, I would love to break free from Google Talk and essentially make my email and IM divorce each other. I don't want them to be together until I can take my IM connections, history, transcript to some other provider(as in exporting and without the need of adding all IM connections again - which is impossible as of now) like email files and start afresh with the same address. Facebook chat is worse. MS is melting all of their service in one pan it seems and anyway apps like Skype should not be encouraged(performance!). So, I would love an app that is on every mobile(I don't think there's anything else other than WhatsApp) and which comes to every desktop or can come.
- shmerl 14y ago
  > For instance, I would love to break free from Google Talk and essentially make my email and IM divorce each other. I don't want them to be together until I can take my IM connections, history, transcript to some other provider(as in exporting and without the need of adding all IM connections again - which is impossible as of now) like email files and start afresh with the same address. Why is it impossible to divorce them, and what stops you from doing it? For example, you can use such method: 1. Create an account on any federated XMPP server (there are many, for example DuckDuckGo has one: https://duck.co/topic/duckduckgo-s-new-public-xmpp-jabber-service-on-dukgo-com https://duck.co/topic/duckduckgo-s-new-public-xmpp-jabber-se... ) or choose any to your liking. Google Talk is federated, so you'll be able to communicate with its users being a user of other federated server (like the above). 2. Let your contacts know that you are switching XMPP server, and send them authorization request from the new XMPP ID. 3. When they accept, remove them from the old XMPP ID contacts. Following this process will require you having both IDs logged in your client for a while, so you could communicate with all contacts, but when you'll transfer them all - you can delete the first account and continue with just the second one. Automating it all could be nice (with something like this http://el-tramo.be/blog/sluift/ http://el-tramo.be/blog/sluift/ ), but manual method works too without much stress, unless your contact list is really huge, then automation seems like the most sensible way.
  - fakeer 14y ago
    Yes, that is true and I even had it on my <username>@jabber.org. Not all but some contacts were there, was adding more. I forgot my password - it stopped working(I save passwords in LastPass and that's one incidence so not sure whose fault). I didn't have an email associated with that Jabber a/c. I lost all. What I mean by moving connections was removing the need to add each individual IM/XMPP contact again. What I meant was that somehow the connection could move with my XMPP ID that is also an email address on my own domain. In a way that I don't have to add every single WhatsApp friend again. I just have to prove that it's the same mobile number. It has it's drawbacks. When I activated my new prepaid number I used to get WhatApp pings from people I didn't know and I used to send pings to people who had got my friends' abandoned/deactivated numbers. I emailed WhatsApp and ofcourse never heard from them.
    - shmerl 14y ago
      Whatsapp isn't federated anyway, so you can forget about any flexibility and much choice there like contacting Google Talk users. Whatsapp deserves to be completely ignored. If you want the most control, you can always just run your own XMPP server somewhere (ejabberd is pretty nice), with you being the only user, and federate with the rest of the XMPP universe. You'll need a few things to set up like SSL certificate and etc. but it's doable.

by somesay 14y ago

shmerl 14y ago

Those who file such requests are better off ignoring Whatsapp in return and signing up with any normal XMPP service ;)

fakeer 14y ago

Though, I believe (and feel the need for) a desktop app is going to be one huge leap that will leave behind a lot of competitors both on desktop and mobile) by miles, I think their decision not to jump on desktop is a matter of focus and direction. They still have a lot to do on the mobile. For instance, I would love to break free from Google Talk and essentially make my email and IM divorce each other. I don't want them to be together until I can take my IM connections, history, transcript to some other provider(as in exporting and without the need of adding all IM connections again - which is impossible as of now) like email files and start afresh with the same address. Facebook chat is worse. MS is melting all of their service in one pan it seems and anyway apps like Skype should not be encouraged(performance!). So, I would love an app that is on every mobile(I don't think there's anything else other than WhatsApp) and which comes to every desktop or can come.

shmerl 14y ago
> For instance, I would love to break free from Google Talk and essentially make my email and IM divorce each other. I don't want them to be together until I can take my IM connections, history, transcript to some other provider(as in exporting and without the need of adding all IM connections again - which is impossible as of now) like email files and start afresh with the same address. Why is it impossible to divorce them, and what stops you from doing it? For example, you can use such method: 1. Create an account on any federated XMPP server (there are many, for example DuckDuckGo has one: https://duck.co/topic/duckduckgo-s-new-public-xmpp-jabber-service-on-dukgo-com https://duck.co/topic/duckduckgo-s-new-public-xmpp-jabber-se... ) or choose any to your liking. Google Talk is federated, so you'll be able to communicate with its users being a user of other federated server (like the above). 2. Let your contacts know that you are switching XMPP server, and send them authorization request from the new XMPP ID. 3. When they accept, remove them from the old XMPP ID contacts. Following this process will require you having both IDs logged in your client for a while, so you could communicate with all contacts, but when you'll transfer them all - you can delete the first account and continue with just the second one. Automating it all could be nice (with something like this http://el-tramo.be/blog/sluift/ http://el-tramo.be/blog/sluift/ ), but manual method works too without much stress, unless your contact list is really huge, then automation seems like the most sensible way.
- fakeer 14y ago
  Yes, that is true and I even had it on my <username>@jabber.org. Not all but some contacts were there, was adding more. I forgot my password - it stopped working(I save passwords in LastPass and that's one incidence so not sure whose fault). I didn't have an email associated with that Jabber a/c. I lost all. What I mean by moving connections was removing the need to add each individual IM/XMPP contact again. What I meant was that somehow the connection could move with my XMPP ID that is also an email address on my own domain. In a way that I don't have to add every single WhatsApp friend again. I just have to prove that it's the same mobile number. It has it's drawbacks. When I activated my new prepaid number I used to get WhatApp pings from people I didn't know and I used to send pings to people who had got my friends' abandoned/deactivated numbers. I emailed WhatsApp and ofcourse never heard from them.
  - shmerl 14y ago
    Whatsapp isn't federated anyway, so you can forget about any flexibility and much choice there like contacting Google Talk users. Whatsapp deserves to be completely ignored. If you want the most control, you can always just run your own XMPP server somewhere (ejabberd is pretty nice), with you being the only user, and federate with the rest of the XMPP universe. You'll need a few things to set up like SSL certificate and etc. but it's doable.