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Fuck yes you do. This is retarded. Ya, you can start relaxing a bit when your company is 50+, but when you startup is just beginning, before profit, then fuck

Fuck yes you do. This is retarded. Ya, you can start relaxing a bit when your company is 50+, but when you startup is just beginning, before profit, then fuck yes.

untog 14y ago
Fuck no, you don't. Or maybe you do. How about we stop making universal rules? You can bootstrap a startup quite successfully just using a few hours a week. But not all startups. Depends what you're doing.
- mindcrime 14y ago
  You can bootstrap a startup quite successfully just using a few hours a week. But not all startups. Depends what you're doing. I guess that's true, when you consider something like patio11 and his BCC. It doesn't sound like he was pouring 60+ hours a week into that (or maybe he was, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please). But I'm also guessing that the set of startups that you can build with that small a time investment, is pretty small. Especially if you're talking about something that's intended to be a scalable startup, something that can be a billion dollar business someday.
  - jes5199 14y ago
    if time was fungible, then working 40 hours instead of 60 hours would only make it take 50% longer in calendar-time to get the thing done. And if you have some other income stream, then that extra time might not matter much. And if getting enough sleep and seeing your family makes you mentally healthier the calendar-time penalty might be less than 50%. Maybe a lot less.
  - jaredsohn 14y ago
    In this podcast (http://productpeople.tv/2012/12/19/patio11-part1/ http://productpeople.tv/2012/12/19/patio11-part1/), he says that he worked about five hours a week on it as a side project (although it also talks about how he would work on weekends, so maybe it was a little more than that.)
endlessvoid94 14y ago
I'm going to ignore your "fuck"s and "this is retarded", and ask why you chose 50+ as a number? From your profile, you're working at night attempting to become ramen profitable, which would mean that yes, you need to work your ass off. But not everyone is in your situation, so please quit the "this is retarded" sentiment. It's childish. For example, I'm part of a 6-person team at a startup in SF and I do not work 80 hours per week. I get to work at 9 and I leave at 6. And we're doing just fine.
- spoiledtechie 14y ago
  Haven't updated my profile in a bit. Working full time on my startup. about 60-80 hours a week. Is your start up funded? Mine isn't.
krschultz 14y ago
What makes you think that you do? I too once worked at a defense contractor, I just didn't let their billed hours == productivity myth infect my thinking. I'm in my second serious startup and neither did the startup grind and both were doing amazing work. Roughly 50 hours a week is the norm which is hardly unsustainable. Meanwhile my girlfriend and two of my best friends work at a 3 different startups doing the total grind 70+ hour/week schedule, and their results do not seem better. In a lot of ways those companies are doing worse because they are super focused on working harder not working smarter.
- vonmoltke 14y ago
  > I too once worked at a defense contractor, I just didn't let their billed hours == productivity myth infect my thinking. Count me in this group as well, though what contractor did you work for where you actually billed all your hours worked? The place I was at previously only allowed us (and required us) to bill 40 hours per week unless otherwise authorized. Such authorization was a rare occurrence. There was still significant pressure to work 50+ per week, though. The attitude there was this weird mix of "if you don't do this you aren't loyal and committed" and "you should be lucky you have a job in this economy".

Fuck yes you do. This is retarded. Ya, you can start relaxing a bit when your company is 50+, but when you startup is just beginning, before profit, then fuck yes.

untog 14y ago

Fuck no, you don't. Or maybe you do. How about we stop making universal rules? You can bootstrap a startup quite successfully just using a few hours a week. But not all startups. Depends what you're doing.

mindcrime 14y ago
You can bootstrap a startup quite successfully just using a few hours a week. But not all startups. Depends what you're doing. I guess that's true, when you consider something like patio11 and his BCC. It doesn't sound like he was pouring 60+ hours a week into that (or maybe he was, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, please). But I'm also guessing that the set of startups that you can build with that small a time investment, is pretty small. Especially if you're talking about something that's intended to be a scalable startup, something that can be a billion dollar business someday.
- jes5199 14y ago
  if time was fungible, then working 40 hours instead of 60 hours would only make it take 50% longer in calendar-time to get the thing done. And if you have some other income stream, then that extra time might not matter much. And if getting enough sleep and seeing your family makes you mentally healthier the calendar-time penalty might be less than 50%. Maybe a lot less.
- jaredsohn 14y ago
  In this podcast (http://productpeople.tv/2012/12/19/patio11-part1/ http://productpeople.tv/2012/12/19/patio11-part1/), he says that he worked about five hours a week on it as a side project (although it also talks about how he would work on weekends, so maybe it was a little more than that.)

endlessvoid94 14y ago

I'm going to ignore your "fuck"s and "this is retarded", and ask why you chose 50+ as a number? From your profile, you're working at night attempting to become ramen profitable, which would mean that yes, you need to work your ass off. But not everyone is in your situation, so please quit the "this is retarded" sentiment. It's childish. For example, I'm part of a 6-person team at a startup in SF and I do not work 80 hours per week. I get to work at 9 and I leave at 6. And we're doing just fine.

spoiledtechie 14y ago
Haven't updated my profile in a bit. Working full time on my startup. about 60-80 hours a week. Is your start up funded? Mine isn't.

krschultz 14y ago

What makes you think that you do? I too once worked at a defense contractor, I just didn't let their billed hours == productivity myth infect my thinking. I'm in my second serious startup and neither did the startup grind and both were doing amazing work. Roughly 50 hours a week is the norm which is hardly unsustainable. Meanwhile my girlfriend and two of my best friends work at a 3 different startups doing the total grind 70+ hour/week schedule, and their results do not seem better. In a lot of ways those companies are doing worse because they are super focused on working harder not working smarter.

vonmoltke 14y ago
> I too once worked at a defense contractor, I just didn't let their billed hours == productivity myth infect my thinking. Count me in this group as well, though what contractor did you work for where you actually billed all your hours worked? The place I was at previously only allowed us (and required us) to bill 40 hours per week unless otherwise authorized. Such authorization was a rare occurrence. There was still significant pressure to work 50+ per week, though. The attitude there was this weird mix of "if you don't do this you aren't loyal and committed" and "you should be lucky you have a job in this economy".