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> With a perfect currency time preference has no finger on the scale; that is, the currency neither appreciates or depreciates over time against a reasonably-co
by lolcraft 14y ago
> With a perfect currency time preference has no finger on the scale; that is, the currency neither appreciates or depreciates over time against a reasonably-constant basket of goods and services. Since technological advancement tends to make it easier to produce "things" in real terms, a perfect currency reflects this and makes time preference inherently valuable.
facepalm If the "natural tendency" of capitalism is for prices to deflate, and you want time preference to not be defined by the currency, then exactly what you want is for the currency to be inflationary! Otherwise, you now have two compounding forces toward hoarding, or "late" time preference: capitalism, which drives future prices down, and the currency (Bitcoin, gold...) which also drives prices down -- since, when we say a currency is deflationary, like Bitcoin is, we mean it deflates goods' prices over time... Needless to say, that should fuck the economy up pretty badly, by your own admission.
To be fair, it was an interesting argument, until he just freaked out and confused up for down. Or deflation for inflation, whatever. And this is supposed to be one of the founding fathers of the Tea Party, by the way?
> This in turn forces the producers of goods and services to innovate in order to attract your economic surplus from under the mattress and into their cash registers, since not spending your economic surplus is in fact to your advantage.
Yeah, this forces producers to work harder in order to get paid the same. That this means a production glut is left as an (easy!) exercise for the reader. Extra points if you develop your conclusions regarding debt and interest under this currency.
To be fair, I completely agree with his comparison of Bitcoin to a pyramid scheme. It's funny how the dude has such a tenuous grasp over the most basic economics, that he gets it right by pure accident and for all the wrong reasons.
> That means that if you were one of the early adopters you get paid through the difficulty of those who attempt to mine coins later! That is, your value increases because the later person's expenditure of energy increases rather than through your own expenditure of energy. If that sounds kind of like a pyramid scheme, it's because it is very similar to to how the "early adopters" in all pyramid schemes get a return -- your later and ever-increasing effort for each subsequent unit of return accrues far more to the early adopter than it does to you!
You know what? This is exactly the definition of a deflationary currency. He just admitted BTC is a pyramidal scheme because it's deflationary! But, of course, he's a right-wing pundit, he can't admit that! What to do? No matter, some pseudo-cryptography, pseudo-physics bullshit (entropy, of all things!) saves the day... Now I'm just fucking screaming at the screen... Holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit...
I just can't believe it. The inevitable conclusion is, I must be just too fucking stupid to understand these elaborate libertarian doctrines. Yeah, that must be...
- jstalin 14y agoI wouldn't peg Denninger as a libertarian. He supports the federal reserve and is fine with fiat currency. I would consider him more a monetarist than libertarian/Austrian (in fact, he specifically disavows the Austrian view of money). He's a blowhard that thinks he literally knows everything. I stopped following him when I challenged his understanding of the history of fiat currency and he promptly banned me from his forums. He does not tolerate anyone questioning him. EDIT: As a side note, it's kinda funny to watch how touchy he is about the Tea Party concept. He gets angry and claims that he first came up with the idea. He resents Santelli for being the one to popularize the movement on CNBC. Denninger doesn't seem to get the idea that people have been using the tea party term to fight political waste since the original tea party itself. Yet he persists and occasionally (when I still followed him) fires off blog posts essentially saying "but I was first!!"
- tptacek 14y agoWhy did you start following him to begin with? I'm asking because I'm genuinely interested, not because I'm going to try to make a point.
- jstalin 14y agoBecause seemed to have good insight, initially, into the 2008 crash. Remember, it was a time of panic and official stories. He seemed to understand the underlying issues. He did have some grasp on it, but after I began to understand things a bit better, he started to just come off as a one note tune that was out of tune.
- tptacek 14y agoDid you ever wonder if maybe he wasn't just regurgitating Calculated Risk? I jumped to the beginning of Denninger's blog archives (April 2007) to find him breathlessly explaining Alt-A mortgages --- a beat Calculated Risk and Tanta had been covering extensively before April 2007.
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